Germany's economy in freefall

[urbanlife]

www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/07/25/german-economy-free-fall-exhausted-draghi-loses-magic/?li_source=LI&li_medium=li-recommendation-widget

So leaving on WTO terms looks like a very sound choice. Germany props up the entire EU superstate pretty much.

I for one am feeling much more optimistic by the day.

My MP was very open about not supporting his party's Brexit manifesto.
That was why he got elected.

However, if their constituencies think differently they are not permitted to ignore. Sadly that protocol is not being followed and there are still many MPs who think the referendum can be pushed aside.

They are perfectly entitled to ignore their constituents. They are elected as representatives to use their judgement, not as delegates to support only those who voted for them. If they genuinely believe that something is the wrong course of action for the country they have a duty to say so. If they are too out of step with their constituents then they are liable to get voted out at the next election.

My MP was very open about not supporting his party's Brexit manifesto.
That was why he got elected

Sounds like a labour MP

ListeningQuietly
My MP was very open about not supporting his party's Brexit manifesto.That was why he got elected.*

Unless your MP is well known, I doubt whether most of his constituents noticed. Did he publicly state his opposing views on his campaign leaflets? Voters probably glance at those during election periods if they are posted through the letterbox.

"Voters probably glance at those during election periods if they are posted through the letterbox."
Did they suddenly become expert economic analysts and forecasters in June 2016 and then lose those abilities in the last GE?
Surely you're not saying that voters often believe some bullshit they read somewhere , vote accordingly and then don't really understand the consequences, are you?

😉 @bellinisurge. Nicely done.

bellinisurge
Did they suddenly become expert economic analysts and forecasters in June 2016 and then lose those abilities in the last GE?

They probably relied on the Daily Telegraph - who employ expert economic analysts and forecasters.

Didn't know the Daily Telegraph was read by all Leavers. I read it, btw.

Didn't know the Daily Telegraph was read by all Leavers.I read it, btw.

They are noticeably pro-Tory and pro-Brexit.

Didn't know the Daily Telegraph was read by all Leavers. I read it, btw

If you have internet access you can read as many different newspapers as you wish

Surely you're not saying that voters often believe some bullshit they read somewhere

It’s only bullshit when it says what the reader does not want to hear

Really, I would never have noticed that about the Telegraph 😂😂😂

They are noticeably pro-Tory and pro-Brexit.

I never thought Clav was such a mistress of understatement

There is no positive case to remain, I have still never heard of a single one beyond second homes and extended student gap years

That reveals that the poster is poorly informed. Not that the reasons don't exist. Maybe OP will read this & learn of some 'positive cases'.

"The UK is currently the most successful country in hosting [European Research Grants], but would immediately become ineligible in the event of no deal" (Russell Group). "As a sector which contributes over £21 billion to UK GDP every year and supports 944,000 jobs, it is critical to the national interest, to the economy, communities and wider society, that the UK’s universities thrive post-Brexit." The case to remain is to keep UK's reputation for high quality research and the employment and funding that follows from that.

"Brexit is very bad for health" (BMJ). The case to remain is to avoid damage to public sector funding.

Unfortunately (Barnier) UK's decision to opt out of free movement rules and largely end the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice "means that the UK cannot take part in the European Arrest Warrant." The case to remain is to keep this desirable security tool.

-You're Welcome

Omg bellini you read the telegraph with your remainer eyeballs? Is that allowed ?

You disgust me with your harmless varied newspaper reading that allows you to formulate an opinion

Hazardtired

Omg bellini you read the telegraph with your remainer eyeballs? Is that allowed

I tend to catch sight of their headlines in supermarkets/newsagents. Not good for my blood pressure...

lljkk
The University of Oxford have very kindly published an analysis of the Russell Group letter in your link;

Universities and a ‘no-deal’ Brexit: some rather desperate misrepresentations.

"I have read this letter carefully, and I have to say that I am bewildered by the degree of misrepresentation it contains.We expect universities, above all, to be places that cultivate critical thinking, dispassionate analysis and respect for empirical evidence.This letter displays none of those things.To warn of taking ‘decades to recover’ from the effects of a so-called no-deal Brexit is to exaggerate wildly; and the solemn statement that this is ‘no exaggeration’ serves only to compound the absurdity."

"It is hard to avoid the overall impression that this open letter was cooked up rather hurriedly to serve a political purpose, in these final days before the expected parliamentary vote on the Withdrawal Agreement."

"If so, this would not be for the first time.On 20 June 2016, in the very last days before the referendum, a public letter was issued by the Vice-Chancellors of 103 UK universities, urging people to vote Remain."

"(To add a little perspective here, we should recall that EU research funding of all kinds contributes only 2.6 per cent of all UK university income; this worst-case scenario involves losing only a portion of that.)"

www.ox.ac.uk/news-and-events/oxford-and-brexit/brexit-analysis/universities-and-no-deal-brexit

"Brexit is very bad for health" (BMJ). The case to remain is to avoid damage to public sector funding."

The link refers to these reductions in funding;

The “Canada” option, involving a future free trade agreement, would see funding cut by 31%; no deal by 44%; and the government’s preferred option—if it is achievable, which most commentators doubt—by 22%.

Scaremongering.

So when one of your links agrees with you it's ace and when it doesn't it's scaremongering.
You are a card.

So when one of your links agrees with you it's ace and when it doesn't it's scaremongering.

You can believe that a 'no-deal' Brexit will result in public sector funding cuts of 44% if you like - I don't believe it.

@Clavinova - we should recall that EU research funding of all kinds contributes only 2.6 per cent of all UK university income

Isn't it amazing how the same data can be used to present different perspectives?

Research grants from 'EU sources' was 2.6% of universities' total income in 2013/14, according to the Higher Education Statistics Agency. That was 16% of their total research funding.

This doesn't include payments not linked to research, such as the European Social Fund for employment and skills, or money linked to EU students (tuition fees and exchange schemes).

[https://fullfact.org/education/how-much-money-do-british-universities-get-eu/]

Additionally, the current uncertainty wrt brexit has resulted in British researchers being being excluded from funding applications as nobody knows if they will be eligible to participate. I work in academia and have seen the happening.

[https://www.ft.com/content/f8750114-9c91-11e8-ab77-f854c65a4465]

I work in academia

So what. Your expertise and professional experience is trumped by C&Ped articles and belief.

Isthisafreename
Also from your link;

If we left the EU, the government could boost funding to universities with some of the money saved from our £10 billion net contribution to the EU budget.

Cool. Scaremongering. I'm triggered.

Has any leaver anywhere got a list of the meds being stockpiled?

I've asked for a year.

Someone did a freedom of information request earlier this year nothing could be divulged because nothing existed officially because multiple private companies are doing the stockpiling.

If you want remoaners to shut up scaremongering about wider implications of brexit then call each fucking company and ask what they are stocking and compile a list. Share the list and let's find out if you can take one of the nasty remoaners scare tactics away.