Germany's economy in freefall

[urbanlife]

www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/07/25/german-economy-free-fall-exhausted-draghi-loses-magic/?li_source=LI&li_medium=li-recommendation-widget

So leaving on WTO terms looks like a very sound choice. Germany props up the entire EU superstate pretty much.

I for one am feeling much more optimistic by the day.

What is your obsession with road deaths and likening to terrorist murders?. Come to Manchester and tell us that they are the same.
Why is the position of a foreign country "dictatorship "?
Would you accept an NI only backstop?

We can leave the EU in a number of ways without breaking the international treaty we have signed

If so why is it not happening? Some remain supporters seem to be suggesting there are no solutions and hence the vote must be ignored.

@EmeraldIsle2016 - If so why is it not happening?

Because the arrogance, intransigence and ineptitude of the UK government to date.

You have it the wrong way round Brexiteers don't like the solutions like the WA for example, it's why they kept voting it down.

@EmeraldIsle2016

Boxed yourself into a corner here. It is not happening because your side in parliament won’t agree to the backstop. The ERG refused to vote for May’s deal with the backstop in it.

They would rather we broke an international treaty and ignore the result of the GFA referendum to suit their views.

Would you accept an NI only backstop?

If achieves leave with a deal and GFA is not violated, then let’s get on with it. Or are we back to DUP not wanting that solution?

Road deaths not the best way of making a point and possible that some posters have lost family or friends in such accidents. One poster stated that loss of lives in another member state effects them. My point is lives are being lost everywhere and everyday, but countries don’t come to a standstill.

It's not happening because the UK government are in hock to the DUP who will not accept an NI only backstop. Because they want to argue that they are exactly the same as the rest of the UK except when it suits them. Which is why UK civil rights standards line equal marriage and abortion rights are to be imposed on them. They won't do it themselves. Because they are apparently different.

@urbanlife Bellini is an unreasonable remainer. There isn't anything you can say that will get thru to her.
I for one I'm very excited to leave the EU I think if they want to deal we will and we can have a great trading relationship.
We are even offering £39 billion. Crazy to me to give them anything but I'll live with it.
I don't want to create further hardship for anybody specially because some countries have been struggling in the land of milk and honey.
Can't wait for October.

If we agree on an NI only backstop, that would be agreed by the EU in a flash. And I would agree with it.

I agree OP. The sooner we leave the undemocratic, federalist, unaudited EU the better.
I voted Remain but seeing how the EU works has caused the scales to fall from my eyes.
Confirmation of an EU army was the last straw.
I'm a pacifist and the last thing the world needs is another army.

The DUP and the Scottish aren't going to like a NI only deal. I do think it would put the Scottish Union under greater pressure.
The WA as it stood was a compromise that would have achieved Brexit but it was the hard Brexiteers were the people who stood in the way of it.

"Bellini is an unreasonable remainer. "
My willingness to compromise in order to Leave is a clear indication of this 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

EU army = bad
EU navy to help the UK out of a mess = good

@FreshFreesias are you a fish?

@ListeningQuietly

Absolutely.

See also:

EU Army (supposedly) dragging us into more wars= bad

Destroying an international peace agreement and plunging ourselves into sectarian violence= good

@FreshFreesias

Have you got any evidence to back up that claim about an EU army?

Bellini is an unreasonable remainer

I'm an unreasonable remainer.

Bellini promotes compromise.

(Personally I think compromising with radicalised individuals and extremists who stoke the flames of sectarian violence is wrong and dangerous, but I respect Bellini's moderate point of view).

Scotland looking for independence from UK as prefers to be in EU. So if there was an NI only backstop I don’t think Scotland would be that bothered

So let’s have a GE and get DUP out of the equation as they seem to be the obstacle.

Would you accept an NI only backstop?

Theresa May wouldn't; Johnson well might do. Except at present, he still has Parliamentary arithmetic to contend with and even with the DUP has a wafer thin majority. He only needs to lose next week's by-election and have one Tory MP resign the party whip and whoosh, the majority is gone.

Thatcher, Blair could get away with some of their actions because they had whopping great majorities. Johnson might think he's popular but thousands of people absolutely loath him.

Road deaths not the best way of making a point and possible that some posters have lost family or friends in such accidents.

So we wring our hands and do nothing, and say it's someone else's problem? Pretty much the 1930s attitude when there were many fewer cars on UK roads.

Now we know that this is unacceptable and have speed limits, seat belt and helmet laws, have safety features in cars.

Has no-one pointed out to the OP that NI as a whole voted Remain? She seems to equate NI with the DUP and assumes that it is therefore more or less 100% Leave.