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Westminstenders: On An Election Footing

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RedToothBrush · 25/07/2019 16:22

Boris Johnson has set out his strategy.

He is challenging remain Tories to put their money where their mouth is, or to shut up.

His majority, soon to be just 1, is fragile but he intends to tough it out.

His Cabinet, is to all intents and purposes an ERG take over of the Tory Party, not unlike the Momentum take over of the Labour Party. And Johnson is looking to purge the party of its liberal wing, whilst pretending that he is liberal to make it acceptable to long term loyal Tories who might still waiver and merely vote for the rosette or like the veneer of respectability.

It has been made clear to Tory MPs that they will have to sign up to a No Deal Strategy should a snap election be called - or face the prospect of deselection. Disloyality will not be tolerated as Hunt's Cabinet backers all found out when they were sacked rather than be allowed to resign as Grayling was.

Instead Johnson reaped his revenge bringing back quitters and disgraced MPs as a deliberate 'fuck you' to moderates and remainers.

His message is clear and made all the clearer by the appointment of Dominic Cummings.

Today the Treasurery opened the piggie bank and told all departments to prepare for no deal. That is what is going to happen.

Parliament can not stop no deal. Johnson will drive it through regardless, even if its technically illegal. The default of no deal makes it an impossible juggernaught to stop without triggering a GE before the 31st October.

Technically speaking there are just 3 parliamentary days left this can be done.

And a GE is no guarentee of stopping no deal anyway. Cummings coming on board spells it out. Its a campaign strategy to reinvigourate the Leave Campaign and make all the promises that were made before. Of course there is no way of implimenting any of these before 31st October, so they just sound nice and people will believe them because they want to believe them. They want to trust and have hope for the future.

Yet with no trade deals and third party status, and crippling gridlock at ports and extra red tape for exporters and importers to deal with, it is inevitable that the economy will take a big hit. And Johnson's promises are expensive. His £39 billion he wants to withhold, is peanuts in the scheme of things and given what he is proposing.

The plan might sound nice, but it doesn't actually add up.

If we want a deal we will STILL have to sign up to conditions that Brussels sets out EVEN IF we no deal.

Meanwhile the US is ready and waiting to fleece us, because we aren't prepared to admit this and are too proud to see that this is a better option than have corporate American feast on the bones of the British economy.

Human Rights and Workers Rights are very much in the cross hairs with this. Health and Safety standards that have been set by London and then imposed on the EU will be burnt.

All the while the EU will be blamed for our own folly.

The worst thing is, people will actually buy it too.

Things are going to get a hell of a lot worse in this country, not because we lack optimism and hope, but because our egos are too big and we have been too idealist rather than recognising very real obstacles and finding ways to overcome than rather than just trying to ignore them. We will find out all those Paragraph Cs in good time the hard way because of the lack of attention to detail.

PFI and outsourcing will look like minor hiccups when the shit hits the fan.

I do hope that the puritians of the Labour Party and the Liberal Democrats and the Remain Referendum Campaign are happy. This is also their mess. They have spent 3 years naval gazing and still don't understand nor know how to respond. This is where a General Election becomes a very real danger because they are clueless as to how to combat a reunited Leave campaign.

Be careful what you wish for going forward.

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Hazardtired · 27/07/2019 14:20

Trying to catch up. I haven't had more than 4 hrs sleep in a night this week so brain dead and giggling prone Grin How do parents of babies cope with sleep deprivation?! My ass is whooped after a wk of DP (not a baby obvs) needing help with temp until 2/3am and then again from 7am. It's cool and raining today and I am fecking ecstatic.

Whoever said they wondered if they had been diagnosed as dyslexic at school they may have been blocked from certain subjects. Yes. I was shoe horned into GCSE textiles which involved reading about mass manufacturing and not just doing cute sewing as i thought. I was blocked from any science subjects since year 7. I didn't go on to work in mass manufacturing of textiles and not knowing basic science has some down sides.

Sorry massive derail... I'm still sure brexit is an awful idea. Terrible. Bad. I'll go make a coffee.....

prettybird · 27/07/2019 14:21

Re finances, ds was making the same point this week about the Republicans and Democrats in the States, yet it is the Republicans who have the self proclaimed reputation for being "good with money" and financial rectitude Confused

Anyone would think that they deliberately want to impose austerity and make the poor poorer Angry

Peregrina · 27/07/2019 14:22

And the cynic in me thinks that a lot of "trans issues" will be solved when there is a downside to being a woman ....

Absolutely agree here.

SwedishEdith · 27/07/2019 14:23

Sam Coates Sky
@SamCoatesSky
In response to this Q, Cummings said ‘we are leaving on 31/10 and we don’t need an election to do it, we had the biggest people’s vote in British history, MPs swore to respect the result, our job is to obey our orders from the voters within 97 days & MPs won’t stop it’

So, unelected SPAD repeating lie about "he biggest people’s vote in British history".

GE1992 had a bigger turn out 33,614,074 compared to 33,568,184 . The highest %age of voters to turn out was 83.9% in GE1950; Scottish indy ref had higher %age turn out at 84.59% than EUref16. (I've copied that from a reply as keep losing those figures when I need them).

And the voters "ordered" MPs to go for a No Deal? But Cummings is sooo clever.

Iambuffy · 27/07/2019 14:24

I was out on the patio in my pants this morning.
Bliss.

QueenOfThorns · 27/07/2019 14:27

So, Fatberg has declared that the backstop has to go, which of course makes any further talks with the EU impossible. Then we have no choice but to crash out with no deal. In that scenario, what is the probability of Scottish independence? Can’t the Tories just refuse to give permission for another IndyRef?

placemats · 27/07/2019 14:28

In work houses the way to make savings was to slice the bread thinner and water down the gruel.

Priti Patel's remarks on Ireland were a disgrace. She knew exactly what she was saying, otherwise if the Home Secretary has no idea about the Irish Famine in the 19thC then she shouldn't be paid by the public purse.

inews.co.uk/news/politics/priti-patel-ireland-food-shortage-no-deal-brexit-leo-varadkar-home-secretary-warning/

howabout · 27/07/2019 14:28

I doubt many women are traipsing their DC about on the bus unless they have no access to a car. I have had to give up using the bus as I have 2 16+ teenagers and a half fare DD3. Even the train is cheaper. The journey I did last week would have been 6 times the cost and taken 3 times longer by bus than car.

That is before I factor in bus sick DD3, nowhere to put the shopping, waiting around at bus stops, and lack of routes.

prettybird · 27/07/2019 14:34

I keep on challenging the trope that the EU Referend was the "biggest turnout in UK history" which is a straight out lie Angry on both absolute number terms and as a percentage of the population (even the 1992 GE had more people voting and a higher percentage Hmm). Angry

But it always gets ignored - and then trotted out again Angry And rarely do broadcasters challenge it, allowing it to be promulgated again and again - some even spreading it themselves Angry

And breeeeeaaathe Wink

Peregrina · 27/07/2019 14:35

HS2 could be scrapped since not a metre of track has been laid.
Even though 4.1 bn has already been spent.

That's not going to worry Boris Johnson. Think about it, the track goes through what were traditional Tory areas of Oxfordshire and Buckinghamshire. If South Oxfordshire DC, which includes Henley, can vote against the Tories at the last election with the following results:
Liberal Democrat - 12
Conservative - 10
Green - 5
Henley Residents Group - 3
Independent - 3
Labour - 3

Then why on earth wouldn't he want to regain more votes from the nimbies?

Iambuffy · 27/07/2019 14:37

Ok. I know you will alm tell me the truth.....Am overthinking this?

Just heard on the radio news that our fuckwit PM has gone to Manchester and talked about devolving budgets/legislation etc to individual councils and that the brexit vote was a vote "to lose the "shackles" of the EU and WM"...

It's the American system isnt it? Bankrupt states counties that can't afford clean water?

Fucking hell.

placemats · 27/07/2019 14:37

The Referendum to accept the Good Friday Agreement was the biggest turnout.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_Northern_Ireland_Good_Friday_Agreement_referendum

81% turnout.

placemats · 27/07/2019 14:38

And yet the DUP want so desperately to scupper this overwhelming result.

Iambuffy · 27/07/2019 14:38

O Mara gone.

Thank fuck.

Hallam MP Jared O'Mara to resign

placemats · 27/07/2019 14:42

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-49139758

Better link.

Can't wait for my holiday, short break, in Ibiza.

Iambuffy · 27/07/2019 14:43

Oh my link doesnt work...

Lib dem win in sheffiled hallam???

placemats · 27/07/2019 14:43

Plus, I'm so looking forward to a United Ireland. Never thought I'd see it in my lifetime.

That's the good news to come out of Brexit.

Alsohuman · 27/07/2019 14:44

About time. I guess it will revert to LibDem again now.

prettybird · 27/07/2019 14:45

Queenofthorns - unfortunately, in theory they can continue simply to refuse the Section 30 notice required to hold another Indyref Sad

But if they continue to do so if it becomes really obvious that that is the will of the Scottish people, then they run the risk of falling foul of the UN's "Right to Self-Determination" Shock But given that WM is perfectly prepared to breach an existing international treaty, I doubt they'd be bothered Angry

....now in the event of a hung Parliament after the next GE (or even in this one after the Conservatives lose their nominal with the DUP "majority" Wink)......Grin

LonelyTiredandLow · 27/07/2019 14:47

howabout part of the chapter on public transport in Invisible Women says very similar - cost, poor design of routes taking too long and in particular waiting around in the dark at isolated bus spots being to scary for many women. It's a great book. It also explains how many families only have one car, men are more likely to take it to work and women are therefore more likely to need to use public transport. I didn't drive until dd didn't get into the local school 0.3 miles away because we are 0.1mile out of their catchment Hmm so instead had to learn to drive, buy a car and now drive over 5miles each way twice a day. It's been great but is a huge drain on my time, fitness and finances.

HazardTired yes, that was me re school. I really hope dd who is diagnosed as dyslexic doesn't encounter the same bias. She seems to be excelling at maths (certainly no punishments of ripping up of books or being kept in over play time these days!) so I am hopeful she will have more opportunities, even if she doesn't take them.

tobee · 27/07/2019 14:56

Sorry Iam, brain blank:- WM?

LonelyTiredandLow · 27/07/2019 15:01

More rolling back on EU regulation sas Boris announces he will ditch rules on GM crops. Aligning us further to US agri...

placemats · 27/07/2019 15:06

Jared O'Mara: Delusional episode during ongoing and persistent campaign of sexual harassment that had left her [the aide] feeling “intimidated and degraded”.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jul/26/jared-omara-mp-to-take-time-out-for-mental-health-problems

When it comes to an abusive and coercive person, it's always about them.

howabout · 27/07/2019 15:11

Agree Sheffield Hallam likely to be first of many examples of Labour seats going LibDem.

New Statesman reporting Heidi Allen campaigning with LibDems in Brecon.

www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2019/07/heidi-allen-joins-liberal-democrats

Iambuffy · 27/07/2019 15:14

WM = Westminster

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