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Westminstenders: On An Election Footing

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RedToothBrush · 25/07/2019 16:22

Boris Johnson has set out his strategy.

He is challenging remain Tories to put their money where their mouth is, or to shut up.

His majority, soon to be just 1, is fragile but he intends to tough it out.

His Cabinet, is to all intents and purposes an ERG take over of the Tory Party, not unlike the Momentum take over of the Labour Party. And Johnson is looking to purge the party of its liberal wing, whilst pretending that he is liberal to make it acceptable to long term loyal Tories who might still waiver and merely vote for the rosette or like the veneer of respectability.

It has been made clear to Tory MPs that they will have to sign up to a No Deal Strategy should a snap election be called - or face the prospect of deselection. Disloyality will not be tolerated as Hunt's Cabinet backers all found out when they were sacked rather than be allowed to resign as Grayling was.

Instead Johnson reaped his revenge bringing back quitters and disgraced MPs as a deliberate 'fuck you' to moderates and remainers.

His message is clear and made all the clearer by the appointment of Dominic Cummings.

Today the Treasurery opened the piggie bank and told all departments to prepare for no deal. That is what is going to happen.

Parliament can not stop no deal. Johnson will drive it through regardless, even if its technically illegal. The default of no deal makes it an impossible juggernaught to stop without triggering a GE before the 31st October.

Technically speaking there are just 3 parliamentary days left this can be done.

And a GE is no guarentee of stopping no deal anyway. Cummings coming on board spells it out. Its a campaign strategy to reinvigourate the Leave Campaign and make all the promises that were made before. Of course there is no way of implimenting any of these before 31st October, so they just sound nice and people will believe them because they want to believe them. They want to trust and have hope for the future.

Yet with no trade deals and third party status, and crippling gridlock at ports and extra red tape for exporters and importers to deal with, it is inevitable that the economy will take a big hit. And Johnson's promises are expensive. His £39 billion he wants to withhold, is peanuts in the scheme of things and given what he is proposing.

The plan might sound nice, but it doesn't actually add up.

If we want a deal we will STILL have to sign up to conditions that Brussels sets out EVEN IF we no deal.

Meanwhile the US is ready and waiting to fleece us, because we aren't prepared to admit this and are too proud to see that this is a better option than have corporate American feast on the bones of the British economy.

Human Rights and Workers Rights are very much in the cross hairs with this. Health and Safety standards that have been set by London and then imposed on the EU will be burnt.

All the while the EU will be blamed for our own folly.

The worst thing is, people will actually buy it too.

Things are going to get a hell of a lot worse in this country, not because we lack optimism and hope, but because our egos are too big and we have been too idealist rather than recognising very real obstacles and finding ways to overcome than rather than just trying to ignore them. We will find out all those Paragraph Cs in good time the hard way because of the lack of attention to detail.

PFI and outsourcing will look like minor hiccups when the shit hits the fan.

I do hope that the puritians of the Labour Party and the Liberal Democrats and the Remain Referendum Campaign are happy. This is also their mess. They have spent 3 years naval gazing and still don't understand nor know how to respond. This is where a General Election becomes a very real danger because they are clueless as to how to combat a reunited Leave campaign.

Be careful what you wish for going forward.

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prettybird · 26/07/2019 21:50

Like most places, it depends on where in Paisley you're looking at. There are good areas and not so good areas.

Even in Glasgow there are IMHO over-priced areas like the West End and (because of snobbery about middle class schools) Bearsden/Milngavie and Giffnock/Newton Mearns (I can say that as I'm from Bearsden/Milngavie Wink) and good value places within the city boundary on the a South Side like Pollokshields (the original planned garden suburb Grin), Newlands and Shawlands.

Plus, on the other side of the city from Paisley, Rutherglen.

Some nice places along the Central belt too like Linlithgow or to the North (Balfron, Killearn) or South (Strathaven). Or by the sea (but close to the nuclear sub base Wink), Helensburgh.

cherin · 26/07/2019 21:52

Difficult choices, then. “Scandinavian” countries would do well, I suppose. My company choose Denmark to open a EU for brexit, and it’s amazing. Weather is a bit meh (but U.K. is not that spectacular either, let’s be honest ;-), ordinary people speak English from a young age, appear friendly...

NoWordForFluffy · 26/07/2019 21:54

I'm 42 and work in metric and imperial and can convert between the two relatively easily in my head with mental arithmetic.

I can convert °C to °F and back again with good accuracy, again in my head.

I think I'm a relatively rare beast in my age group, as I don't know many others who can do this (or care!).

I'm great at this kind of maths. Anything more technical isn't really my thing (A at GCSE, but no chance of succeeding at A level!).

tobee · 26/07/2019 21:55

Although that Patrick Wintour piece quotes friends that say he does know his weaknesses.

Red my ds has dyspraxia, possible dyscalculia. But he scores badly on working memory and worst on processing speed, despite having a high IQ. The weaker areas for him really impede his learning without lots of help. Unless people get full Ed psych testing things like working memory and processing speed often go undiagnosed.

Mistigri · 26/07/2019 21:55

I imagine he doesn't see many people as his equal.

He is very like the Norths in that respect, although different from Père North in that he has no patience with detail.

Unlike the Norths he does appear to have a natural understanding of what motivates people, something that I have observed is common in manipulative people.

Justaboutdone · 26/07/2019 21:55

@QueenOfThorns whereabouts? It has a bit of a bad rep but most of it is historical and nearly so bad now. There are some areas well worth avoiding but many areas are nice. Quick commute into Glasgow and easy access to Airport. Braehead and Silverburn nearby. And Elderslie Just outside Paisley is the Birthplace of Sir William Wallace 😂 (although that can be disputed)

cherin · 26/07/2019 21:55

(My answer was meant to the ones considering emigration options ;-)

NoWordForFluffy · 26/07/2019 21:59

@prettybird, I had a flat on the Finnieston / Kelvingrove border and loved that area. I could only afford it because work paid for it though! It was great being so near the park / museum.

RHTawneyonabus · 26/07/2019 22:00

Thanks Cherin DH is thinking Ireland, which suits me as I don’t want to go far (!) and his company moved their European HQ there recently and I’m sure would get him a visa if that became necessary.

At the moment I feel like things will never be normal again.

dreichhighlands · 26/07/2019 22:11

Well living in the USA is interesting at present but I wouldn't want to be there permanently. It is what I fear the UK could turn into.
Going to take a good long look at Canada when we go on holiday in a couple of weeks.

Have family who are happily settling in Oz having only gone temporarily pre Brexit.

Hazardtired · 26/07/2019 22:15

Put in the right environment he'd be amazing

Yes! I want to interview him, understand him, then plonk him somewhere else because there is so much potential.

If someone has a more extreme mismatched profile then he may be capable of seeing his weaknesses but unable to do anything about it. Lots of potential to go eccentric. He may be beyond seeing people as "equal" that's not saying he thinks he's above but so far to the side the common ground with neurotypicals gets lost. Or he's arsehole and a psychopath which is a form of neuro diversity I think.

I'm gonna shut up now because i sound like I'm romanticizing the man who is responsible for leave winning ShockGrin

BigChocFrenzy · 26/07/2019 22:31

Not amazing, just a sociopath with their usual talent for manipulation

Isn't he just a nihilist - tear it all down to punish his country for not recognising his "genius"
Like several of that gang

PigeonofDoom · 26/07/2019 22:43

Scientist here so only use imperial for height, weight and distance, as you kind of have to in the uk. You cannot use imperial scientifically, as far as I know there is no imperial equivalent of a nanometre, for example.

JRM and Shapps sound like those awful bosses you get that micromanage everything and spend so much time pissing about with minutiae that they sap your soul. The type to obsess over minor formatting errors whilst missing major problems with content. I’ve had a few such bosses and they were bloody useless tbh.

PigeonofDoom · 26/07/2019 22:44

(There’s a lot of them in academia, which attracts the obsessive type)

QueenOfThorns · 26/07/2019 22:44

Thanks for help re. Paisley. The house I really like is in Castlehead, not far from the Royal Alexandra Hospital. I think the problem I have is that modern houses don’t interest me at all and Glasgow in particular seems to be full of them. There’s a teeny handful of houses in the nice bits of Glasgow that might be in our price range, but I have no idea how far over the offers over price things go, so they might not be!

QueenOfThorns · 26/07/2019 22:46

The type to obsess over minor formatting errors whilst missing major problems with content. I’ve had a few such bosses and they were bloody useless tbh.

Sounds like me! Have I ever been your boss @PigeonofDoom?

ThereWillBeAdequateFood · 26/07/2019 22:53

Or he's arsehole and a psychopath which is a form of neuro diversity I think

I’m not sure he’s a psychopath. He seems to understand people too well. Very odd character, seems to have a lot of emotional intelligence but without the empathy.

Hazardtired · 26/07/2019 23:01

bigchoc hmm I have thought that to. It's the way he understood it's not facts it's feelings and changed the tone of the debate which flipped it to leave (i think) that's interesting to me. He manlipulated it for sure but how did he reach that point of understanding when (from the outside) not many others did?

I might be bored of him after 10 mins of grilling and chuck him back Grin

Justaboutdone · 26/07/2019 23:03

Castlehead is an OK bit. I would happily buy there. In fact I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s the house I spotted a few weeks ago!!

PigeonofDoom · 26/07/2019 23:04

Not unless you’re male, queen Grin

Hazardtired · 26/07/2019 23:06

Therewillbe yes emotional intelligence and low empathy! Thats one of things that's bugging me about him - thank you!

PigeonofDoom · 26/07/2019 23:06

Tbh, I have worked for grammar nazis who are also very thorough in reviewing content and good organisers. Those I can handle. It’s the ones that focus on minutiae to the cost of everything else that kill you. Can’t get anything done!

Justaboutdone · 26/07/2019 23:14

I’m a bit out of touch with offers over but I think it really depends on how lovely the local market is. 5 - 10% maybe? But only if it’s the correct price in the 1st place.
Just over the border in East Renfrewshire is very posh. But you will pay a lot more.
Paisley is underrated imo. Also Renfrew worth a look.

QueenOfThorns · 26/07/2019 23:16

@Justaboutdone, I’m not putting the link here because everyone will want to buy it, but did the house you saw have a gun room? (I’m not sure what I would use one for, maybe I could keep my frozen tomato missiles in it?)

@PigeonofDoom, no not male! And I usually spot the content issues as well, luckily.

Justaboutdone · 26/07/2019 23:34

@Queen yes it did!! And I would definitely be tempted. But no plans on moving there at the moment.