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Westminstenders: Prime Minister Johnson

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RedToothBrush · 23/07/2019 22:58

It is actually happening.

By 5pm tomorrow Johnson should be Prime Minister, if nothing major goes wrong for him.

Phillip Hammond is expected to resign early in the morning. And there maybe others.

Parliament goes into recess on Thursday. Giving Johnson only enough time to announce a Cabinet and maybe give a brief statement in Parliament.

As it stands Johnson will have an effective majority of 1 if the Brecon by-election goes the way expected next week.

Unless someone else defects. Which isn't beyond the realms of possibility.

We also have Charlie Elphicke now suspended and facing a court appearance on 6th September, just 3 days after Parliament returns after the summer recess.

Remember when parliament returns Johnson must get a Queen's Speech vote to pass to start the new session.

The return of Parliament is 8 weeks before 31st October.

If Johnson can't pass a Queen's Speech... Is there time for a GE before 31st October? By the skin of our teeth? Or a crucial recall petition?

So for all the talk that parliament can we prevented from being prorogued or that we can get a deal by the 31st October, there is a GE shaped problem.

As for Johnson's plan for Brexit. Don't expect to see him say anything but waffly bollocks before that key Queens Speech vote. He can't. Instead expect lots of domestic promises - in part to distract, in part in prep for a possible snap election.

Of course to have an extension the Prime Minister needs to ask for it. Would a GE be enough to get one? And would we be granted one?

On the flip to that is the prospect of May's Deal. Much has been made of its death. But some have said its premature to say that. At the eleventh hour should the situation arise would parliament vote for it, backstop and all, to prevent no deal? Its not beyond the realms of possibility.

All the talk of Johnson driving a change of direction by the force of personality is nonsense. Johnson can use his personality domestically for support, but he his personality offers nothing to the EU.

On top of this all we have the Iran Oil Tanker Crisis. The US were alleged to have set us up, and now told us to look after our own tankers. Leaving us to look to Europe for international security cooperation in the area... Irony isn't lost.

Let us see what tomorrow might bring though...

Westminstenders: Prime Minister Johnson
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NoBaggyPants · 24/07/2019 16:07

He's nicked the Labour manifesto. Funding for the NHS, education, the police, social care, regional regeneration, investment in green technologies...

Cherrypi · 24/07/2019 16:07

I think the loud booing really unsettled him.

The80sweregreat · 24/07/2019 16:08

His off on holiday now.
All that talking has worn him out.

TokyoSushi · 24/07/2019 16:09

Wow.

Songsofexperience · 24/07/2019 16:09

Well, at least if this fucked up mess inspires children to be engaged citizens or politicians with a sense of duty rather than vaulting ambition then that's a silver lining.

Hearing my own DCs speak about politics I think the next generation will not take their rights for granted (especially as they might face a fight to get them back in the first place).

ListeningQuietly · 24/07/2019 16:10

And on the other side of the pond, Mueller is twisting the knife

LouiseCollins28 · 24/07/2019 16:10

...."I was saying Boooris!" Grin

The80sweregreat · 24/07/2019 16:10

Yes, it's a 'beefed up 'labour manifesto!
If anyone believes this can happen then they are mad. I really am not buying it.

yolofish · 24/07/2019 16:10

aw, it's all lovely? All our christmases have come at once with that nice Mr J in charge, all we need is a little bit of PLUCK and we'll be fine and dandy. It will all be over by Christmas, chin chin etc.

Bollocks.

Belindabelle · 24/07/2019 16:11

The Queen has a Dyson fan.

RedToothBrush · 24/07/2019 16:14

Lewis Goodall @lewis_goodall
Well, that was...really weird.

I genuinely cannot sum up what it was about.

I really thought he'd do a Chrurchillian style thing. Brief, dramatic, sombre. Instead it was just pretty typical Johnson fare: hurried, frantic and looking for laughs which couldn't come. Made him look like he has one mode. Not sure what message his team were trying to convey.

It's like Leave all over again.

Anyone listening who likes him, will pick up on something they like and that's what they'll remember.

It's about hearing what you want to believe.

It doesn't have to be coherent.

Expect more.

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The80sweregreat · 24/07/2019 16:14

It was a manic speech.
Not as abrasive as Trumps usually are but it was a bit ' you can have everything you want'
🤔

MockerstheFeManist · 24/07/2019 16:15

It's Peter Pan Politics:

'Do you believe in fairies, children? Just say it...'

horseshit · 24/07/2019 16:16

So there is definitely not going to be a VoNC before September? They’re really going to leave everything until the very last minute AGAIN? Do Labour need time to elect another leader, or what the fuck is the holdup?

tobee · 24/07/2019 16:16

Tell me about the loud booing. Where was it from? When did it happen? How did he react?

Sorry to be cheeky to ask rather than watch but I just can't and I look to you lot for crumbs of comfort mostly in vain so far

RedToothBrush · 24/07/2019 16:17

Right. Going for a shower. Going out with DH for the first time in years without DS tonight. We have a babysitter.

Hopefully this means I'll miss a lot of the horror of naming the cabinet this evening.

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Hazardtired · 24/07/2019 16:18

Anyone watch that speech and just had flashbacks to Cummings on the channel four brexit an uncivil war? All about the feelings.

Cherrypi · 24/07/2019 16:18

Outside the gates by remainers I think. He just seemed to slow down a bit when they got louder I thought.

The80sweregreat · 24/07/2019 16:18

Now is the time for J C to step down gracefully and for labour to call out all these huge promises!

pollyannaperspective · 24/07/2019 16:19

Red enjoy your evening out.

On cabinet - who on earth would want to be a Tory Chancellor delivering that list of spending promises?

RedToothBrush · 24/07/2019 16:20

Nicola Sturgeon @nicolasturgeon
Behind all the ‘make Britain great again’ type rhetoric, that speech was rambling, blame-shifting and, to put it mildly, somewhat divorced from reality. #newPM

SIGH

When do we hit David Allen Green's infamous Wall of reality again?

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SwedishEdith · 24/07/2019 16:21

DAG has been watching panda videos. 😁

The80sweregreat · 24/07/2019 16:22

Whose the new chancellor?
Will they realise they have to borrow loads of money ?

RedToothBrush · 24/07/2019 16:23

OK so the reaction on twitter is either along the lines of

This is a word soup. He literally doesn’t have a clue what he’s saying on the non Brexit bits. What a genuinely crap speech...

Or

Genuinely disagree on this front - for an accession speech there was a lot of policy detail, from policing to tax to free ports.

There is definitely a split along the culture fracture on this too.

Need to be mindful of how he's coming across to leavers.

It's like we speak different languages in this country.

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TruthOnTrial · 24/07/2019 16:24