All threads in brexit seem to anti brexit? Mn is usually balanced... Were are pro b threads?

[Knittedjimmychoos]

Looking for some lighter brexit relief by fellow leavers... Every thread I've glanced at seems to be dominated by renainers?

Is there any space for leaver on here?

Just interested... I wanted to chat...

sionnachbeag
All true...
And it is the shy voters who will decide....

You do know all threads lead back to Ed and his brother David...
Had the right brother won , none of this would have happened.

But Labour are in a mess.

Which has saved the Tories' bacon - otherwise they would have been out on their ear two years ago.

No it all leads back to the Conservative party, Conservatives were losing votes to UKIP, the Back Bench Business committee put significant political pressure on Cameron, Cameron called the referendum and led it. 63% of Conservative voters voted to leave.

Actually none of it is to do with Labour at all.

Labour would have won that Election if DM had been leader...
Do you know remember the stones ED had carved.
DC never expected to win, let alone for the Liberals to lose all their seats.
And so we had the promoised vote...
And here we are...

Except David Milliband would have offered exactly the same policies and got exactly the same treatment from the press.

Typical Tory, everyone else fault.

Do you not remember the shock everywhere when DC won...
EM had to cancel the party to celebrate half way through the day

The headlines from all papers and polls were one of complete shock, it had not been seen as a close call...

The press would have crucified David too, its what they do to Labour leaders.

We are where we are because the idiots believed the lies of BJ/Farage and Gove.... it would be nice to see Leave voters own what they caused.

There are many articles about the forgotten people for whom things never improved, who never had the boom years.
This are the people who voted for this, who had nothing too lose and still don't.
Who voted in hope of change.
Do you not understand that to them, Brexit can't make things worse but it will and can bring change...
If food prices do go up, then the benefits will have to rise as they are linked.

I AM NOT AN MP.
My personal plan means all I can do is play it by ear....

If food prices do go up, then the benefits will have to rise as they are linked.

Food prices have been rising for years. In all that time, benefits have been frozen. By this Tory government. You're very naive if you think that will change after a No Deal Brexit.

If food prices do go up, then the benefits will have to rise as they are linked.

This seems an extremely naive statement. Look what has been happening to Universal Credit roll out - people have been left destitute - no allowance has been made for the problems its roll out is causing.

A significant number of foodbank users are people in work - how will they benefit if they lose their jobs and then have to wait for universal credit.

Of course, there is a big rush of employers just keen to move into the UK, so it won't happen. Funnily enough, I can't see where those employers are myself, but they must be there because the Leavers tell us they are.

There were plenty of smug Tories who voted for Leave. Who will no doubt feel some of the effects, but will be cushioned from the worst.

There is no point arguing with the by all accounts happily ignorant

The fact that the "forgotten" were forgotten, no, deliberately made the scapegoat of austerity programmes and a misguided belief in "trickle down economics" , by Westminster and it was nothing to do with the EU - which ironically provided funds to mitigate the worst of Westminster's polities (and Westminster sometimes turned down the support and/or misdirected it ) seems to evade those that choose to remain ignorant and/or abdicate any responsibility for their vote because "it's the MPs job to turn stone into gold "

There are many articles about the forgotten people for whom things never improved, who never had the boom years
This are the people who voted for this, who had nothing too lose and still don't
Who voted in hope of change.

yes, they did but as someone told me (who helped start the whole Social enterprise funding in the UK) recently, it is the very poor who will be hit hardest as (or if) we leave the EU.

Cuts in benefits, lower wage rises, less educational funding... etc wont hit me directly but will hit the estimated 7 million of the so called under class.

{If food prices do go up, then the benefits will have to rise as they are linked.}

Why should anyone get benefits? What is the strange 'right' that you think people should be given anything by the state?
Many around the world get nothing from the country they live in.
Given that the UK does have at least a reasonable benefits system, where do you think the money comes from. When jobs are lost due to Brexit, where will their unemployment benefit come from?
You may not be an MP, but you voted for a shitshow and you can't explain even simple things.

Jeez benefits are frozen right now, regardless of inflation, have been for years.

That is true, I don't have to explain, nor do I have to provide a plan.
But listening to people who demand answers and waffle about what is wrong and never see any good in anything, makes me feel sorry for families who can't walk away from it...
Mine all want to leave, no deal, as did where I used to live and where I now live.
Strange many many miles between yet people hold the same views.

Brexit can make things worse.

The"forgotten" were manipulated for their votes with promises that things would be better. They voted for the very people who had made their lives worse

Good little Turkeys.

@mummmy2017 - Because people want a change.... People voted for change.

Politicians ignored people's worries and needs to the point they said sod it anything has to be better than we have , but in such numbers and DC total miss read public feelings.

That has to be one of the scariest things I've read about brexit. What you are saying is people voted for brexit, without any consideration of the consequences, because they fancied a change. If you are unhappy with the status quo, you should try and understand what the problem is and then consider what might be the best course of action to fix it. You don't vote for the nuclear option, simply because it is a change. Get politically active. Campaign for politicians who reflect your views. Protest about the government policies you are unhappy with.

I have always felt the uk system of fptp has resulted in many people who are disengaged from politics, as many people feel their vote doesn't count if they are in a strong tory/labour/lib dem/etc area. I think this was apparent in the referendum. Voting for the unknown, with no understanding of how it would be implemented, simply because you don't like government policy, is naive at best.

After the referendum, I was shocked to see people being interviewed saying things like they voted leave because they were in a strong remain area so didn't think their vote would count or they voted leave to stick it to the government but didn't think it would pass. This shows a complete lack of understanding of the referendum process.

In Ireland, there was a referendum for the Lisbon treaty. It didn't pass. The government spent time afterwards understanding why the people voted against it. One of the main reasons was that there were certain elements of it that were unclear. These were clarified, with assurances from the EU on certain aspects of it. The new, clarified referendum was run and passed. If you don't understand the consequences of your vote, the sensible thing is to vote for the status quo until the consequences are clear.

It should worry you, that people voted for change because now is so bad....
Because it means you got it wrong.

{It should worry you, that people voted for change because now is so bad....
Because it means you got it wrong.}

OK, so in 'leaver land' if you don't like the colour of your curtains, you burn the house down. Then you wonder why others criticise your ability to think.

"It should worry you, that people voted for change because now is so bad.... Because it means you got it wrong."

The people that voted for change usually did from positions of ignorance, voting for the people who represent the very political movement that has made things worse for you is the height of stupidity.

It should worry you, that people voted for change because now is so bad....
Because it means you got it wrong

No it doesn't and i didn't.... we may well get change but it will be change for the worse.

People are easily led by charismatic people, its almost a need in some people, history is littered with examples but it rarely ends well and brexit will be no different - just see how the £ falls when no-deal becomes the focus, this will mean higher import and fuel costs... wont ruin my life but it will for many.