Westminstenders: It couldn't get any worse... Until today

[RedToothBrush]

We are trapped in the tailspin of the end of the UK. Firmly headed downward and getting more and more frenzied and desperate.

Even the most sensible of types like David Allen Green have finally noticed that Brexit isn't about leaving the EU it's about the frenzied and wilful destruction of our state instutions and structure. The collapse of the civil service, of our justice system, our democratic institutions and social order. All in the name of rule Britannia, a warped sense of taking back control to preserve an ideal that never existed and an idea of sovereignity that simply was a fantasy.

We move ever closer to Johnson becoming Prime Minister and a life under President Trump.

Joy.

Ode to Joy really isn't that bad.

Big fat amount of text here about proroguing Parliament.

I've started arguing with leavers on Twitter. Ho hum. This is new territory for me. I'm asking for clarifications of the thinking more than arguing per se - is that the right way to go?

If BJ pirogues Parliament... for how long? I mean, would he move to just shut it down on 1 August & not sit again until 5 November... there must be SOME limit to how long pirogueing can happen for.

Well, Charles I did so for 11 years from 1629 to 1640!.... I’m not sure of any modern day rules concerning this though.

Also, if BJ did this, would he simply reconvene at the start of November? With an effective Tory majority (inc DUP) of just two by this point, he’d immediately go down in a VONC!

No, he’d wait a couple of weeks until the crisis caused by a no-deal Brexit abated.... that 2 weeks would turn into a month, then New Year,
then “until further notice” as he justifies his actions due to the “state of emergency” caused by the collapse of economic and political order....

So now I'm entertained/freaked out - my Twitter account has been locked for exhibiting 'unusual behaviour violating Twitter rules' - all I've basically done is ask questions (no rude language) and post a link to the NFU's no deal webpage a couple of times!

I shall hobble off and let the brexit talk continue 😁

(Sorry for hijacking thread)

I'm having a mental health "Brexit break" (hahahaha break! Another one!) for a bit but I will be reading and lurking always sounds mildly disturbing

TTFN x

The comment on Iam's injury by NoWord:-

"...displaced/fail to unite"

Seems apt on a thread about Brexit.

Got to get your breaks when you can, @Iambuffy!

Well-spotted, @tobee, I hadn't clicked onto that.

Ouch buffy. Hope you heal quickly. Definitely take some painkillers, its odd they haven't suggested that to you. I've broken a lot of bones mainly due to my own incompetence (last two incidents were breaking a rib coughing and chipping my shin bone tripping up the stairs!), and can't remember either my parents or myself being not told to use painkillers as necessary - including cocodamol if it was that bad.

I've started arguing with leavers on Twitter. Ho hum. This is new territory for me. I'm asking for clarifications of the thinking more than arguing per se - is that the right way to go?

I was going to say, it would be a waste of time, but then I see you've been locked out of the account.

We have seen on these threads how asking for clarification goes, i.e. with almost literally only two posters who provide thoughtful reasons, it's the usual sound bites - make our own laws, control our own borders, immigration. We hear very much less about the the NHS these days - even Leavers must have realised they were conned on that one. These reasons are often laced with statements by Leavers about thick racists, who then flounce because thick racists have been mentioned.

In my recollection no one has come up with 'this law affects me'. The only person in RL who has is my DB, who can quote one to do with Transport. He's the sort who would read the proposals and make sure that he wrote to his MP/MEP about it. The law he quotes was accepted without question by our Government - they deliberately avoided the opportunity to improve it. One can only think that using the EU is such a mighty good excuse for their own failings.

Ouch, buffy 💐
Best wishes for a prompt recovery

I hope you are getting exercises to do, once the plaster is off and also to keep fit until then ?
My German orthopaedic dr was very good with that advice after my fall last Feb

• he made 3 house calls in the first 3 weeks too, so I didn't have to fall go down the stairs again

Chickens, I couldn't be arsed to discuss Brexit on Twitter. I try to think about everything other than Brexit where possible!

Have you contacted Twitter about your account?

Those stairs are lethal things, aren't they BCF?!

{Those stairs are lethal things, aren't they BCF?!}

But strangely useful when you want to go up

But strangely useful when you want to go up

True dat!

It's coming down at an unexpected high velocity which was my issue. 😂

I don't argue with Leavers on Twitter. Although my username is still very anonymous and I have no bio info on it, it's too exposed. Same on FB, obviously. And I most of my "local friends " - other parents at dd's old primary school- are mostly Leavers. A couple are No Dealers. They know me well enough to suspect I voted Remain but they don't know anything else.

@yolofish - Re: Amber Rudd

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/11/amber-rudd-drops-opposition-to-no-deal-brexit
Amber Rudd embraces no-deal Brexit as ministers pitch to Johnson
Cabinet members seek jobs under new PM with Liz Truss eyeing role of chancellor

With the anniversary of the moon landings upon us, it's fascinating to compare Brexiteers and "Hoaxers". Starting with the low intelligence they have in common. It'a almost like there's a playbook out there on "how to be dim" that we missed ...

"I don't believe in the moon landings"
"OK, which bit exactly ?"
"All of it"
"So we've never launched rockets - despite having satellite link ups in the 60s"
"No, we did that"
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.
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It's like when you start with a Brexiteer "what laws ?" and never get an answer.

George Freeman, a Tory moderate said “Couldn’t be more serious. We are, tragically, in a terrible mess: as a government, parliament and party. If we don’t honour the EU referendum result and leave the EU political union, with a bold programme of economic renewal to unlock growth, confidence and spread prosperity, we’ll get Corbyn"

Really George? You think that trashing the economy and a GE within 2.5 years of Brexit, will save you?

If you think that spending a few billion will create economic renewal, then you know SFA about economics, if it were that easy, we'd never have had recessions and countries around the world would be spending money like there was no tomorrow, its just a fallacy.

You are playing Farages tune and will hasten his arrival at No10.

{, it's fascinating to compare Brexiteers and "Hoaxers". }
Watching ants, birds or bees at work would be more interesting.
At least they achieve something positive.

{Couldn’t be more serious. We are, tragically, in a terrible mess: as a government, parliament and party.}

Awww, bless!
If the UK gov can find a £Trillion or so to recharge the UK industrial economy and sort out the NHD, transport, housing etc, AND undo the shit attitude that the UK has taken with so many other countries, and the EU then they might just start to get somewhere.

fluffy Coming down was my issue too !

It was a wakeup call, better now than when I'm (even more) ancient and can't bounce back.

I have a visual disability that has worsened with age and I hadn't reassessed my lifestyle
Now I'll always live on the ground floor, or with a lift

Disgusting how politicians , including even some Remainers, who know the extra problems Brexit will bring,
put their career first and brown-nose the dreadful BJ - and hence Trump too

Yep, if revitalising an economy was so easy, everyone would do it

It would probably take hundreds of billions to correct the deep structural problems that have dragged down the UK economy for several decades:
infrastructure, education, short-termism

Even more difficult, it would take a complete change in attitude and morals from our ruling class and probably media too

{Even more difficult, it would take a complete change in attitude and morals from our ruling class and probably media too}

This is why I am not overly optimistic about UK recovery. It is the multiple organ failure of 'Brexit' that is wrong. Hurricane, bank crash, earthquake, although bad, it is something that many can focus on and overcome. Brexit will be a bit of everything all at once.
Resentment and intolerance has rumbled on in NI for 800 years and although the root causes are a bit different Brexit has caused a very deep split. See Also the Balkans and the Middle East. One significant section of society (say ~40% of the population) being seen to have preferential treatment over another. Who knows where it will go if there is a significant loss of life once Brexit really happens.

Expecting more leaks ?

Tom Newton Dunn@tnewtondunn

Extraordinary statement from Counter Terrorism Command tonight.

The #Darroch leaker should give himself up or the Mail on Sunday/⁦
@IsabelOakeshott should shop him, and if they publish more leaks, they too may be committing a criminal offence.

Sounds like cops expect more.