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Westminstenders: It couldn't get any worse... Until today

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RedToothBrush · 09/07/2019 22:02

We are trapped in the tailspin of the end of the UK. Firmly headed downward and getting more and more frenzied and desperate.

Even the most sensible of types like David Allen Green have finally noticed that Brexit isn't about leaving the EU it's about the frenzied and wilful destruction of our state instutions and structure. The collapse of the civil service, of our justice system, our democratic institutions and social order. All in the name of rule Britannia, a warped sense of taking back control to preserve an ideal that never existed and an idea of sovereignity that simply was a fantasy.

We move ever closer to Johnson becoming Prime Minister and a life under President Trump.

Joy.

Ode to Joy really isn't that bad.

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NoWordForFluffy · 12/07/2019 06:12

Taken from the LD Facebook page:

'News to make you smile a lot! Incredible Lib Dem gain in Bridlington North

Lib Dem Mike Heslop-Mullens 1308

Cons 815

Yorkshire Party 349

Ind 259

UKIP 196

Lab 135

Change from 2 May

Lib Dem +43%

Cons -44%

Lab -25%'

Iambuffy · 12/07/2019 07:14

Blimey!
That's a great result for LDs in bridlington!

Just reading Greg Clarkes warning on job losses in a no deal Brexit ("many thousands")

I can hear the rabid, spittle producing screams of "project fear" echoing up and down the land...

Doesn't matter to most retired leave voters I guess. Shame about the nhs though, eh?

bellinisurge · 12/07/2019 07:30

I would have thought Bridlington is Leave Central. That result is amazing.

NoWordForFluffy · 12/07/2019 07:34

But the message we'll be gaslighted with is that they're saying to 'get on with Brexit', no doubt.

frumpety · 12/07/2019 07:38

lambuffy did you also see Mark Francois reply to Greg Clarkes predictions ? No facts or figures as to why Greg might be wrong , just the sun is going to rise on the 1st of November on a free country drivel Hmm

Late PMK and thanks to Red

Iambuffy · 12/07/2019 07:39

I think there must be many, many leave voters keeping very quiet about their regret and either not voting or voting for remain parties going by recent by election and local elections....

MotherOfSoupDragons · 12/07/2019 07:50

Absolutely Iam.

HesterThrale · 12/07/2019 07:53

Looks like Brexit Party didn’t even stand?

And it just feels like Labour is dissolving before our very eyes. 4th placed in this YouGov poll. This poll also suggests we need an election before Brexit is delivered. Wonder the chances of that?

mobile.twitter.com/britainelects/status/1148551993679646720

Peregrina · 12/07/2019 08:20

Why aren't the Brexit party standing?
If they want to contest 650 seats next GE, they need to get organising, and getting some practice in via a Local election is a good way to go about it.

NoWordForFluffy · 12/07/2019 08:22

You'd think it'd be relatively easy to mobilise too, wouldn't you?

RHTawneyonabus · 12/07/2019 08:40

Eh? Was there a by-election I missed?

Peregrina · 12/07/2019 08:43

There are by elections for local councils somewhere most weeks. The only time it goes quiet on that front is in the run up to the time of the May election. This is end Feb ish, then the seat is left vacant until the May elections.

BigChocFrenzy · 12/07/2019 10:17

Farage's new party, same as his old, doesn't have the local organisation or boots on the ground to campaign adequately in 650 seats,
or even just in the 400+ more winnable seats he needs to at least try to fight, if he wants to become PM

He does well in the EP elections, when he just has to campaign in the 11 GB regions
His one-man band can handle that

Very different requirements in a GE

DGRossetti · 12/07/2019 10:29

www.euractiv.com/section/uk-europe/news/new-eu-chief-nominee-says-brexit-could-be-delayed-again/

euractiv.com
New EU chief nominee says Brexit could be delayed – again
EURACTIV.com with AFP
4-5 minutes

Ursula von der Leyen, the nominee to be the next EU Commission president, said Wednesday (10 July) that Brexit could be delayed for a third time, but warned London it must take responsiblity for “sorting out” its tortured departure from the bloc.

Von der Leyen said the divorce deal agreed with Prime Minister Theresa May but rejected by British lawmakers was a good one, signalling that under her leadership the European Commission will be no more willing to renegotiate than before.

Brexit has been delayed twice already because of British lawmakers’ refusal to ratify the accord, but the two men vying to replace May both insist they will stick to the current departure date of October 31 come what may.

But von der Leyen, who said she still hoped Britain would change its mind and stay in the EU, said that if London needed more time, another postponement should be granted.

“If the United Kingdom needs more time, I think that’s the right way to go,” she told Green members of the European Parliament.

But she insisted there would be no change to the Irish “backstop” and warned Boris Johnson and Jeremy Hunt – the men aiming to replace May – that the “tone and attitude” of Brexit were vitally important to future relations between Britain and the EU.

Both have pledged to renegotiate the Brexit deal to get better terms or leave without one – but the EU has been adamant it will not reopen the text.

Three years after the shock referendum vote to quit the bloc, Brexit remains a highly divisive issue in the UK and von der Leyen said that while she still hoped Britain would stay, London must act to end the impasse.

“Though I still hope you remain, it is in our interests to have you sort things out. We have an agreement – which hasn’t been signed on both sides – and we have the backstop,” she said in response to a question from a British MEP at a hearing with centrist deputies at the European Parliament.

“I think it’s a good deal but it is your responsibility and your noble task to sort things out,” she added, in her first public comments on Brexit since being nominated as commission president.

Von der Leyen, nominated by EU national leaders last week to take over from Jean-Claude Juncker on November 1, the day after Britain is due to leave, was wooing MEPs ahead of a confirmation vote in the European Parliament next week.

‘Precious’ backstop

Flamboyant former London mayor Johnson, the overwhelming favourite to win the race to succeed May, has said he will leave on October 31 with no deal if the EU will not improve the terms, particularly on the contentious “backstop” clause relating to the Irish border.

The backstop keeps Britain in the bloc’s customs union until a better solution is found to avoid checks on the border between EU member Ireland and British-ruled Northern Ireland, but it is despised by Brexit supporters who see it as a trap.

There have been British calls for the backstop to be changed or time-limited, but other EU states, particularly Ireland, insist it is essential – and von der Leyen was adamant in her support of it.

“I think the backstop is of utmost importance. We absolutely know how crucial this non-existing of a border for you is, and therefore having the backstop in the Brexit deal is,” she said in response to a question from an Irish MEP.

“The backstop is precious, important, and has to be defended.”

Johnson has also threatened to withhold the 39 billion pounds Britain has agreed to pay to settle its dues to the EU to cushion the blow of a chaotic “no deal” departure – a move that would infuriate other EU states which see it as reneging on commitments.

After departing the bloc the UK will have to negotiate a trading partnership with the EU, and Von der Leyen warned of the dangers of poisoning the relationship from the very outset.

“In case we’re going to have a Brexit, I am convinced it is crucial the tone and attitude with which Brexit happens,” she said.

“Because Brexit is not the end of something – Brexit is the beginning of future relations and its of absolute importance that we have good cooperation.”

BigChocFrenzy · 12/07/2019 11:13

von der Leyen is a Christian Democrat, quite close to Merkel

However, whoever was chosen as Commission President would have emphasied the backstop cannot be opened

Since the WA has been negotiated, the Commission has no power to change it anyway - that would require the unanimous approval of the 27 remaining members
Not going to happen

The only leeway is to swap to the NI-only backstop, as allowed within the WA

The EU members would actually prefer this:

the all-UK backstop was a big - and final - concession to May
and the other EU members are unhappy at how it grants the whole UK so many SM benefits without actual membership

DGRossetti · 12/07/2019 11:28

If Leavers sometimes find themselves wondering why some Remainers are so angry at them, here's a disgusting letter to David Lammy, and his response.

Hard to believe this would have happened before you took back control. And frankly, if this is what "control" looks like, you can shove it up your blue passports arse.

Westminstenders: It couldn't get any worse... Until today
Westminstenders: It couldn't get any worse... Until today
BigChocFrenzy · 12/07/2019 11:31

Oxford University lecturer and former diplomat on the case of Kim Darroch,
how Trump dominates the UK and BJ is his shameless poodle

Westminstenders: It couldn't get any worse... Until today
DGRossetti · 12/07/2019 11:35

The trouble with that, BCF, is it's written by a woman, and so of no worth. Now if you can find something a man wrote, it would count.

(waits for ironicless to reply ....)

DGRossetti · 12/07/2019 12:16

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Westminstenders: It couldn't get any worse... Until today
Peregrina · 12/07/2019 12:55

The trouble with that, BCF, is it's written by a woman

Yup, I can just see it - Johnson comes back with exactly the same WA, not a comma or full stop different and the ERG vote for it, because he's a MAN and an OLD ETONIAN and they are worth 100 women or 100 plebs of either sex.

BigChocFrenzy · 12/07/2019 12:57

Yes, the WA needs wank stains to show a willy was used

bellinisurge · 12/07/2019 13:24

Precisely @BigChocFrenzy

tobee · 12/07/2019 13:59

With that David Lammy letter you know people think like that but seeing it written down is like a physical shock. Nausea, anger, revulsion and more.

Brilliant reply but makes you feel Lammy has dealt with such letters frequently.

bellinisurge · 12/07/2019 14:07

That Lammy letter is revolting. What kind of twat would write something like that?

DGRossetti · 12/07/2019 14:11

I like the way that letter says "I have just been made aware" ... it really does sound like he had to get someone to read the story out for them doesn't it ?

Also, isn't it "hanged" not "hung". But we can't call leavers thick ....

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