Just how exactly are we going to 'bring the country back together'?

[KennDodd]

Both candidates for PM have claimed they can do this. I heard a Tory party member interviewed on the radio saying that the best way to do this was a 'no deal/WTO/crash out because we'll all be in it together and it'll be like the war'.
I don't know how these wounds are going to heal.

UK will be divided forever with that approach.

Yep. We'll re-unite when the promised unicorns are delivered, when we enter the new age of prosperity, when the NHS gets its £350million a week. Seeing concrete benefits after Brexit may heal the divisions in the country but in the meantime I'm not going to pretend to believe in the likes of Farage, BJ, JRM and the other lying fuckers. You can if you choose to, but don't expect me to join you.

What compromising have you done?

I support India’s request for more UK visas if UK wants to make a trade deal with India.

If UK has to accept import of USA food products to make a deal with USA I support that too.

Sadly I think that the only thing that could unite the country would be another, even bigger crisis, probably an external threat. Possibly an alien invasion.

"If UK has to accept import of USA food products to make a deal with USA I support that too."
But you don't need to eat it as you live in the Far East so I don't see why your opinion on this point is relevant.

I support India’s request for more UK visas if UK wants to make a trade deal with India. If UK has to accept import of USA food products to make a deal with USA I support that too.

For fucksake, LifeContinues. I made myself a promise not to engage with your goading but this has really annoyed me. You DO NOT LIVE HERE. It is irrelevant what you 'support'. You will not be living with any of the consequences of any of this. You will not be eating chlorine washed chicken, so who gives a fuck if you support it or not?

But you don't need to eat it as you live in the Far East

True, but I have eaten Australian hormone treated beef 🥩 since living in the Far East. Not come to any harm so far.

I'd support lifecontinues having to do everything said on this thread.

There is no country. It’s 4 countries in a political union. The countries want different things. The only solution is the break up of the UK.

I don’t think it will come together for a couple of generations if things get tough. Someone earlier mentioned coming together if there are food shortages - not a chance, that’s when things will really kick off and the divide will become firmly entrenched, i’d Like to think any politician with any sense will be well aware of that but who knows as sense seems to be not on the menu right now.

There are some people who voted Leave who regret it, my elderly neighbour for one and her DH before he died. I respect her for turning round and saying ‘I was wrong’ , not easy admitting that.

More and more of my friends have children who have already left the country with more planning ti leave as a direct result of the Referendum. There will always be a level of resentment to those who voted Leave as a result and I will find it hard to look at BIL whose DD isn’t going anywhere and know he was part of something that led to my DD emigrating so she can be with her partner.

I’ll happily help my elderly neighbour if there are food shortages but my arsehole neighbour who voted Leave but is an utter arsehole irrespective of voting , is firmly on his own. I logically know it’s the fault of some politicians but when it’s deeply personal heart wins over head,

I think it’s really sad but I have no desire that a stupid referendum that should never have happened was allowed to undermine our tolerant culture.
I have no real desire to ‘ come together’ with a hard right subculture that has been given airtime and had their hate messages validated through a Brexit vote.
The results of the referendum should be invalidated due to the criminal manner I need which the campaign was conducted.

The cultural divide isn’t going to get better all the time Farage is given more space in the media than, say, Lucas or Sturgeon. What horrible impact the next PM will have, goodness only knows.

And all I ever see is leavers asking people who voted remain to compromise.

How are leavers going to compromise with those of us that voted remain?

There is no country. It’s 4 countries in a political union. The countries want different things. The only solution is the break up of the UK.

I've said it several times on several threads. The UK isn't a country, it's 4. And only 1 is being thought about, has any influence or makes any decisions.

Now they're bricking it because the other ones have had enough and want out?

Too little too late.

When you mock elected MPs in the HoC, when you jeer and talk over them, tell them to go home, don't fucking ever, ever expect help from them when it suits you.

I believe "hoist by their own petard" is fitting here. Faux surprise that the people you've marginalised, taken the piss out of and mocked for years couldn't actually give a shiny shite about helping you.

It's just a shame that ordinary English people need to pay the price for such hubris. I'd much rather they didn't.b

100%. All that will be left will be a United Kingdom of England & Wales, and then Wales will be on the journey to leaving that union.

How are leavers going to compromise with those of us that voted remain?

They have no intention of compromising. In some ways this is a good thing, because what the last three years have shown us is that it's this total inability to accept trade offs that will cause Brexit to fail.

If brexiters had been capable of even relatively minor compromises we'd be out by now.

Not happened yet. Three years on and we are no further forward, just a load of arsing about changing who is in charge of the crapshoot.

It is July already... 116 days to go... ARE WE READY?

“It's just a shame that ordinary English people need to pay the price for such hubris. I'd much rather they didn't.”

Yes and no. Ordinary English People want Brexit. They vote Tory. The are right wing. That’s Middle England.

It’s just who they are and these are the choices England makes time and again. That’s up to them. My issue is that it affects the other countries of the UK.

I was prepared to compromise- I accepted WA. Not Brexit-y enough. I'm now at the "Fuck 'em" stage. I won't have any sympathy with any one who suffers if they supported No Deal. I'm a general prepper. We are all entitled to Irish passports in our house. Don't really like feeling this way about my fellow citizens but I imagine I will get over it.

There is no country. It’s 4 countries in a political union. The countries want different things. The only solution is the break up of the UK

Correct. Impossible to please everyone at the same time.

Yes and no. Ordinary English People want Brexit. They vote Tory. The are right wing. That’s Middle England.

Many don't though, and unlike the other nations within the UK they're being dragged off a cliff edge without options which must be horrific for them. At least we have the option of Indy 2, NI and Wales have options too, although I know Wales voted Leave.

I have friends in both the south and north of England and none of them (about 40 or so) have ever voted Tory, voted Leave or wanted any of this, and I don't want them or people like them to suffer.

It's easy to see a nation as a hive mind, but England is a big country, with vastly different views, cultures and social structure. The elite are speaking for the English as much as they are for anyone else.

The media likes to paint the SNP as anti English and I'm always careful to make sure that it's known that's just not true. It's anti Westminster, NOT anti English.

I hate that English people who never voted for this, never wanted it and had no choice will suffer. It's grossly unfair, and a horrible situation.

When I talk of hubris and arrogance, it's the politicians and the hard right I'm referring to.

I also don't think it will happen in my lifetime. People who voted Leave still haven't admitted they have taken things from others who voted Remain. They have been so brainwashed that they don't see what they have lost. Certainly until this happens (which won't as they are too full of pride to admit their error, on the whole) I don't think anyone will be making any steps. IMO they are the ones who need to work on this, not remainers who didn't want 'change' and were actually happy to live in our country until now.

Impossible to please everyone at the same time.

How do you know? They've never tried.

Now they're bricking it because the other ones have had enough and want out?

Just like EU has bricks 🧱 in their pants. The UK has had enough and is confident they can go it alone.

For me Scotland wanting independence from UK and NI and ROI hoping for a United Ireland is the same as UK wanting independence from the EU