Just how exactly are we going to 'bring the country back together'?

[KennDodd]

Both candidates for PM have claimed they can do this. I heard a Tory party member interviewed on the radio saying that the best way to do this was a 'no deal/WTO/crash out because we'll all be in it together and it'll be like the war'.
I don't know how these wounds are going to heal.

A GE won’t help.

We’d just be left with some kind of coalition and still no answers.

I genuinely don’t understand how anyone thinks a GE will make a difference.

Nothing will make a difference, I genuinely believe that.

It's too late for it to be ok.

I suspect the Tory’s plan will be to find a vulnerable, minority group to blame for society’s ills. They’ve done it before, they’ll do it again.

A GE would only make a difference if Labour ran on a Remain ticket and that isn’t going to happen.

Sorry everyone, that was incorrect of me. I meant to say that Scotland voted to STAY. My apologies, trip of the tongue there!

CraicMammy it's all they do.

We are heading for disaster.

But no one seems to care, but I do, anyone else?

Outsomnia have you RTFT? There's a fair few of us that care, deeply, about it.

We're fucking terrified.

InTheHeatofLisbon

I am terrified also. And I care deeply too, for peace and no more killings. Thanks for the companionship if that is what you meant.

I don't think this will end well. But am hopeful that common sense will prevail.

GFA and all that entails needs to be preserved. Nothing should mess that up now.

It is what I meant, it's so important that the GFA is protected and all that means going forward.

The killing can't start again, it's too awful to contemplate.

But for things to get better requires humility from the Tories. I'm not hopeful of that sadly.

I can remember being a child in the 70s watching the news reports of the bombings & shootings from the troubles & being terrified that it was going to happen in the city I lived in & the day after the Grandd Hotel bombing being evacuated from the building I worked in because there had been a phone call saying a bomb had been planted ( I was a civil servant) One of my friends was injured in the Mill Hill barracks bombings & that really brought home what threat we were under. Nobody who has any sense should want us to go back to that, but thanks to David Cameron it is a big possibility.

What I don’t understand is, if leaving the EU is going to be so bad for the UK, why are politicians still going full steam ahead with Brexit?

An EU member state has never left the EU before, so to say with certainty what the outcome will be is not possible. Although many on MN seem to think that the future can be forecast with complete accuracy, I disagree. If they could forecast the future with certainty they would not even be on MN as they be enjoying their billions instead made from being able to forecast the future and cleaning up on the Stock Market everyday.

Fear creates wishful thinking. Maybe many of the remain supporters are afraid they will be worse off after Brexit and may even lose their jobs. However, the 17.4 Million who voted leave don't have those fears. Are they are super rich? No. Are they all on benefits and have nothing more to lose? No.

So that leaves intangible benefits not connected to financial gain or loss. What are these intangibles?

Ego? Maybe some think UK is the centre of the World and can survive anything. Success in two World Wars might have contributed to such thoughts.

Freedom? For some this has no price. Suicide bombers are a good example. They give their lives in pursuit of freedom.

LeClerc made a good analogy about Germany. They could tell EU to go away, go it alone and be better off. However, they chose to be in a large union even though it costs them a lot. So for Germany there is an intangible benefit.

Can you explain why you and the rest of the Leave supporters are so afraid of a second referendum?

Have leave supporters actually said that? Can't find any recent poll results as to what the outcome of another referendum might be, but seem to remember LeClerc giving a figure of 54% remain and saying that it would not be enough.

yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/04/16/most-voters-have-only-become-more-sure-about-their

The above suggests there maybe a slight swing to remain, but most are sure they voted the right way. However, this data was produced before Brexit Party results in EU and recently being the UK's second party in terms of % support.

%s don't mean a lot in GE as evidenced by past results. It is seats that count. in 2016 referendum 406 constituencies voted leave compared to 242 remain. 5 million people who voted leave in 2016 voted Labour in 2017.

It’s for no other reason than you know you wouldn’t win

So if Majority of MPs are against Brexit and are confident another referendum would result in a massive swing to remain why have they not called another referendum?

Nothing will work apart from revoking A50, or a GE IMO

There is not a PM or even a Party that would revoke A50. The consequences would be;

UK proves to its people and the World that it is an undemocratic Country.

MPs who supported a revoke of A50 know it would be the end of their political career as they would not be voted in again. Then they would face the horror of actually having to work for a living as opposed to being bathed in; high salaries, second homes and expense accounts.

I think it's too late to heal. How can we heal? I don't even know what to suggest.

We’d just be left with some kind of coalition and still no answers

I think that too. A coalition between Conservatives and Brexit Party would be my best guess.

so why are we leaving?

Jeremy Hunt has been making a lot of noise about how recent cuts have gone too deep, and he’d love to reverse them, but of course after Brexit he might not have to as all of his spending will be going to support business. Which, coincidentally, is what Tory governments usually do anyway.

So my prediction is: hard Brexit, recession, privatise the NHS (because we can’t afford it), cut social services budgets (because we can’t afford it), cut disability/UC/HB (because we can’t afford it), deals with the US and various cronies in business “to create jobs” (which it won’t), and tax cuts for the rich as Boris has already suggested. Obviously no cuts to pensions, winter fuel payments, or anything else that might affect their elderly voters.

Basically Brexit will be a great excuse for the Tories-on-steroids, with none of the constraints they usually face because the country will be in too much of a state of emergency to oppose them.

@Sashkin I completely agree. The destabilisation caused by Brexit will create the ideal conditions to cut ALL public services and slash workers' rights, environmental standards etc. I'm terrified for the future, I can only hope things improve in my child's lifetime because I can't see it happening in mine.

And no, I will never forgive those who voted Leave. I will not 'pull together' with anyone so spectacularly stupid.

And no, I will never forgive those who voted Leave. I will not 'pull together' with anyone so spectacularly stupid

UK will be divided forever with that approach.

Perhaps we will all buy British eg a car built in the UK, we will stop buying so much imported food, we will visit our local shops and stop buying from Amazon, we will volunteer more, maybe everyone expected to volunteer 1 day a week, we will not drop litter or leave dog poo. We will pick up litter and help clean our seas, form support groups for others in our neighbourhood.
Maybe that will happen.

I do two volunteering things. I'm thinking of giving at least one of them up if not both. I'm going to need more time to concentrate on keeping my business going, chasing the probable increase in late payers.

queenbee having read your post again I presume you are being sarcastic.

(Amazon will be cheaper than anything else. I live in a rural area and the farmers here are basically stuffed, particularly if there is a hard Brexit)

There is not a PM or even a Party that would revoke A50

Except the Lib Dem’s, who have seen a large surge in popularity precisely because of their anti Brexit stance.

UK proves to its people and the World that it is an undemocratic Country

In the event of a general election, if a coalition of Remain parties were able to form a government. Of course they would revoke.

How would that not be democratic. I’ll accept it’s not very likely but it is possible.

we will not drop litter or leave dog poo.
Currently the bastard EU is forcing us to drop litter and preventing us from picking up our dog poo. Brexit will resolve this. Go Brexit! Go Farage! Yay!

UK will be divided forever with that approach.

Both sides will need to compromise. What compromising have you done?