Just how exactly are we going to 'bring the country back together'?

[KennDodd]

Both candidates for PM have claimed they can do this. I heard a Tory party member interviewed on the radio saying that the best way to do this was a 'no deal/WTO/crash out because we'll all be in it together and it'll be like the war'.
I don't know how these wounds are going to heal.

Hej. I used FoM before getting an education or proper job. I had around 300 pounds, got a flight for £3.49(!) rented a cheap flat above a garage for 3 months in the off peak season of a tourist town. Got a job within a week or so through chatting with locals in bars minding children until the tourists started arriving when I started working in a different job. Would not have been possible without FoM. Employers would not have wanted to jump through hoops to accommodate me in so unstructured low skilled roles. incidentally, I have now got an education and professional job, and have very recently bought a house in Denmark. Something which if we had left by now I would not have been allowed to do as a non eu national as I don't fulfil the strict criteria. So still using my rights as an eu citizen in a very real way despite very different situation. I still don't understand what the benefits of leaving will be.

Me neither @Peregrina : tail end boomer here

It would be interesting to know whether there is a split in the voting patterns of the early baby boomers - say 1945-55 and the later ones 1956 -64.

Anecdotally (I'm a tail-end boomer and have a lot of colleagues around my age) I'd say you'd find a difference. Especially among baby boomers still in the workforce. I don't know anyone my age who voted to leave, the leave voters I know are all retired.

I am one of the early boomers, as are many of my friends, but I only know a couple of Leavers. (Or should that be, I only know a couple who admit to voting Leave?) One of whom voted Green no less - how could that be?

One other Leaver is in his early 40s. Nice chap, but politically a bit idiotic. He runs his own business and I doubt whether he will put two and two together and realise that Brexit will hinder him when importing parts for his business.

All the leavers i know want the whole think to go away, they really do not care anymore - leave or remain... just some one make the decision!!!

Remainers on the other hand are as passionate as ever!

I suspect the divisions (for most people) are not as important as the MSM or MN would have us all believe.

Sadly all the Leavers I know- I live in a Leave area- are doing an Animal Farm esque "we want no Deal and we always have. How dare you suggest we haven't always wanted it".

I do know one Remainer who said she might vote Leave another time, to make it all go away. If another vote happens I will make sure to tell that it will be ten years worth of trade talks ahead, and ask if she really wants to further risk the NHS for American trade deals.

They all seem to forget that if UK does go down the drain they will be going the same plughole as those that voted leave

Well yes exactly, which is why the country won't "come together". Half the country didn't want this and many of them have been pointing out the dangers for the last three years. Not to mention all the people saying "we don't care about your jobs, we don't care if we have to kowtow to Trump, we don't care if the country goes to shit."

Are we meant to say "Never mind, you couldn't have known. Let's all pull together"?

All the leavers i know want the whole think to go away, they really do not care anymore - leave or remain... just some one make the decision!!!

It is this feeling that Remainers need to tap in to... Those leavers have been duped into believing that a no deal Brexit will be a clean break and they’ll move on.

If the Tories do deliver no-deal Brexit, it will be disenchantment from this group (combined with those that would never have voted for them anyway, and those Tory Remainers who’ve gone elsewhere) that I think will see them destroyed at the next election.

The only way Brexit will go away is to stop it. Otherwise it will go on for decades. Personally I resent the backdrop to the rest of my working (and possibly whole) life being Brexit. It will likely affect every decision for the foreseeable and possibly long term future.

{The only way Brexit will go away is to stop it}

Except even that won't work. You have the likes of Farage, BoJo and the ERG who will keep blathering on ad infinitum about how good it would have been if the UK had left and until 'Project Fear' becomes project 'we are totally fucked' they and their chums will continue, and worse, disrupt the workings of the EU.

Cameron gave the UK a shit sandwich, and until it is eaten nothing will come right.

Otherwise it will go on for decades

EU will have told UK to go away before then I think.

Cameron gave the UK a shit sandwich, and until it is eaten nothing will come right

Simplistic.
After we leave, we'll go straight to economic decline, argument and never ending negotiations with EU and the ROW.

Then of course, we will enter a time continuum nightmare world of the argument of rejoining the EU to turbo charge our economy by joining the worlds largest trading bloc - led by Sir Jeremy Hunt, who as an entrepreneur, knows a thing about business needs !!!

I think Brexit was a catalyst opening up wounds and resentments that had been around for years.

They can only really heal when both sides start listening to one another. The reality is, like most issues, there are good arguments on both sides but, rather than trying to understand the other side, many treat remain or stay like a religion, judging those on the other side as apostates.

I listen. I compromise - supported WA instead of Remain while I voted Remain. You rarely, if ever, hear that from Leavers on here or in real life. All you hear is that WA isn't Brexit-y enough.
Fuck 'em.

Bellini,

But you don’t listen and ‘fuck ‘em’ kinds of proves it.

There are legitimate arguments to negotiate hard and leave ‘without a deal’ if necessary. The WA is, in some ways, the worst of all worlds.

The two religions are, basically:

Religious leaver:

We need to be free of the EU at all costs, they brought no benefits and cost us a lot of money.

Religious remainer:

We have zero negotiating power. If the EU says it’s posit is final, it is final. Our negotiating position, however, should be ever flexible to EU demands.

If we leave ‘without a deal’ it will be a disaster for us but have little impact on the rest of the EU.

Both positions are equally extreme.

There are legitimate arguments to negotiate hard and leave ‘without a deal’ if necessary.

What are they? I'd like to hear them.

I agree there are extremes on both sides, neither is helpful.

That said, I'm getting pretty fed up of being told by the same group of people whose choices led us to here and have lorded the result over remainers, jeering that they're the majority and that they won, that we now have to listen and compromise and sort out the shitstorm that they and their pals caused.

Because that's effectively what's happening isn't it? Somehow it's everyone's responsibility to find a solution, when not everyone caused the problem!

They can only really heal when both sides start listening to one another. The reality is, like most issues, there are good arguments on both sides but, rather than trying to understand the other side, many treat remain or stay like a religion, judging those on the other side as apostates

The 2 sides of Brexit are polar opposites, it isn't something that can be compromised over.
We can't even say "we'll leave for 5 years and then rejoin if it doesn't work out" leave is for good or long enough to be effectively so.

Brexit has and will disadvantage me, mainly via the collapse in FX, so why should i listen to the argument from some guy who is barely literate, complaining that (allegedly) the EU builds (with our taxes) the fantastic roads Spain and France has but we have to put up with pot holed tracks?

Which is what i had to listen to yesterday evening.

I'm with Belli Fuck em if these idiots lose their jobs tough, they voted for it.

I’m a 63 year old baby boomer. I voted Remain.
My 29 year old Communist daughter voted Leave, because she regards the EU as fascist and abhors the rise of right wing populist parties and the EU’s treatment of migrants, (particularly paying Turkey to herd them into squalid camps and keep them out of the EU), while it tolerates tax evasion by multinational companies.
So it’s not quite so simple as “Let’s blame the old folk”, is it?
And I don’t think you can ever bring the country together. Up here in Scotland the divisive independence referendum has split us down the middle. Attitudes are becoming entrenched, people are labelled Nats or Yoons (Unionists), there are marches and rallies, the SNP have never accepted the democratic result and continually campaigns against it, to the detriment of running the country or managing public services. I imagine it will be the same after Brexit, with continual politicking to try and overturn it.
Sad times.

InTheHeart,

Leaving ‘without a deal’ means a deferred deal, not no deal. We won’t be without a deal for long, both sides need one too much.

Why would you negotiate weakly on purpose? If you decide to do something, you do it in your best interests. Surely that is pretty obvious?

The idea that the EU does not really care about 39 billion, access to the city, access via Heathrow for Americans, Chinese, being pushed into a possible recession inter alia is quite risible.

Of course they are not shouting about risks to themselves as they are actually negotiating quite well. This does not mean that their actual position is unassailable.

Religious remainer:

We have zero negotiating power. If the EU says it’s posit is final, it is final. Our negotiating position, however, should be ever flexible to EU demands

The EU has 4 set in stone freedoms, SM and a CU, we cannot expect exceptionalism.

If we leave ‘without a deal’ it will be a disaster for us but have little impact on the rest of the EU

Don't treat the EU like a country, its 27 - some will be more impacted than others but the analysis is that a no-deal brexit hits us far harder than it does them, even ignoring trade, the European arrest warrant is of huge benefit to the UK, we lose that and a whole lot else (Galileo, defence co-op)

As some business relocate to Europe, brexit in fact becomes a benefit to them!

"Leaving ‘without a deal’ means a deferred deal, not no deal. We won’t be without a deal for long, both sides need one too much."
Stupid nonsense.