What are the real tangible benefits of the UK leaving the EU ?

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I assume there must be at least a couple, things that can be said with certainty, that will improve the lives of UK citizens. I am not talking about the 'feelings' stuff like sovereignty, I mean if the UK leaves the EU , X will happen and this will automatically improve the lives of the majority of the people in the UK. There has to be at least one ?

the intangible benefits only benefit those who believe in them, surely

Yes and there appears to be 17.4 million. All the financial arguments presented by remain supporters over last 3 years does not seem to swayed leave supporters.

For some freedom has no price. Suicide bombers blow themselves, and others, up in their search for freedom.

OMG. Whenever 'freedom' is mentioned I need to explain the actual position below. Why do posters ( often male for some reason) keep reciting the weird freedom myth? If anyone thinks relinquishing EU membership will satisfy a search of freedom they are in for a shock.

The U.K. is currently free to make its own following laws - does this give the feeling of freedom? The U.K. controls all of the NHS, education, property, administrative law, elderly social care, pensions, commercial law, constitutional law ,Construction law, policing, Contract law ,Corporation law ,Some Employment law ,Family law including marriage, divorce, adoption, finances,Film and entertainment law, Insolvency litigation, banking and debt recovery ,Law of succession, wills and estates, Law of torts , compensation for wrongful acts e.g. negligence, nuisance, defamation, trespass ,personal injury and medical negligence law ,Property law, Planning ,Sports law and Post Taxation income tax inheritance tax etc. We can control domestic violence guardianship ,emergency protection, divorce property, spousal maintenance, adoption, mental capacity, probate, elderly care, benefits,housing, crime, defence , fiscal policy, electoral policy etc.etc.
drug crimes, public nuisance , conspiracy, traffic and driving offences, theft, misconduct in public office, perjury, abuse of authority, subpoenas, jury stuff, misappropriation of funds, bribes, dereliction of duty, perverting the course of justice, fraud, murder, manslaughter, common assault, battery, robbery, rape, kidnapping ,abduction, arson, burglary, trespass, forgery, certain libel, espionage
contempt of court, escape from lawful custody, breach of prison, rescuing a prisoner in custody, riot, piracy
unlawful assembly, breach of the peace, public decency, running a disorderly house, housebreaking,Theft, threats with intent to extort money or property, arson.

How can anyone logically think that the U.K.s choice to share EU decision making powers over food safety, environment, and some employment regulation will magically create an elusive feeling of freedom. Why on Earth is a bit of jointly agreed regulation in those areas worth suicidal measures?

For some freedom has no price. Suicide bombers blow themselves, and others, up in their search for freedom.

Holy shit. Is this person really comparing Brexit to a suicide bombing attack?

We are really plumbing the depths of "reasons to Brexit" now. All because no one wants to admit what it's really about.

Is this person really comparing Brexit to a suicide bombing attack

No. Just making the point that some will make the ultimate sacrifice in pursuit of what they believe. Numerous examples throughout history and not solely confined to suicide bombers.

All because no one wants to admit what it's really about

What in your view is Brexit really about?

@LifeContinues Ok, so you've made your point, could you please answer the question? How many deaths do you think are acceptable?

some will make the ultimate sacrifice

And Brexit is the ultimate sacrifice?

You're doing a good job of selling it, I must say. Hope you're not getting paid for this

I live in Manchester area. With a young dd who attends pop concerts with us. Exactly how is a suicide bomber doing something noble.

Easy for @LifeContinues to come out with shit like that casually from a great distance.

some will make the ultimate sacrifice in pursuit of what they believe

FFS. Sod the "ultimate sacrifice" - suicide bombers murder other people in a deranged act of fanaticism.

Still if you want to compare that to no deal Brexit, maybe you're right. A bunch of fanatics taking the rest of us down with them.

I think the suicide bomber person claims to have been an engineer working at power stations. Pretty concerning that someone with these views could literally be in a position to blow something up. They've given a lot of identifying information too (unless they are trolling).

Just making the point that some will make the ultimate sacrifice in pursuit of what they believe.

So the implication is that some will make the "ultimate sacrifice" so that the U.K. stops jointly controlling some minimum food, environment and employment regulation? *

How bizarre?

Basically most suicidal sacrifices involve something akin to an extreme manifestation of a misinterpreted religious faith. What you are saying is for some the Brexit belief is of the same fanatical genre.

This also means, by definition, it is insatiable. So even if the suicide 'worked' and delivered what the suicidee wanted, then it would progress to rejecting the next thing... perhaps leaving the UN or UNESCO or EAPC or IMSO or NATO or UNCTAD or UNECA or WHO or PCA or any other international body you care to choose.

(* Notwithstanding the fact we already control ... all of the NHS, education, property, administrative law, elderly social care, pensions, commercial law, constitutional law ,Construction law, policing, Contract law ,Corporation law ,Some Employment law ,Family law including marriage, divorce, adoption, finances,Film and entertainment law, Insolvency litigation, banking and debt recovery ,Law of succession, wills and estates, Law of torts , compensation for wrongful acts e.g. negligence, nuisance, defamation, trespass ,personal injury and medical negligence law ,Property law, Planning ,Sports law and Post Taxation income tax inheritance tax etc. We can control domestic violence guardianship ,emergency protection, divorce property, spousal maintenance, adoption, mental capacity, probate, elderly care, benefits,housing, crime, defence , fiscal policy, electoral policy etc.etc.
drug crimes, public nuisance , conspiracy, traffic and driving offences, theft, misconduct in public office, perjury, abuse of authority, subpoenas, jury stuff, misappropriation of funds, bribes, dereliction of duty, perverting the course of justice, fraud, murder, manslaughter, common assault, battery, robbery, rape, kidnapping ,abduction, arson, burglary, trespass, forgery, certain libel, espionage
contempt of court, escape from lawful custody, breach of prison, rescuing a prisoner in custody, riot, piracy
unlawful assembly, breach of the peace, public decency, running a disorderly house, housebreaking,Theft, threats with intent to extort money or property, arson etc.)

how many deaths are you prepared to accept

Hopefully the UK's decision to leave the EU will not result in any deaths. If there are any deaths due to the lack of treatments, medicines, etc., that is a planning issue as opposed to Brexit on its own.

UK has been in the for over 40 years. That UK government thought they could leave the EU in the space of 2 years was a huge oversight. However, as previously agreed by many posters Cameron thought a vote to leaver would not happen. Hence no plan or even research was made.

Government could have looked at things more thoroughly before they voted on Article 50, but did not. They may have come to the conclusion that Brexit was no longer deliverable taking into account GFA. Would have been a monumental embarrassment for UK to admit that what was voted for was not actually achievable, but better to admit your mistakes early rather than later. Would have been laughed at for a few months, but forgotten by now.

All about saving face I guess?

I think the whole point of the suicide bomber analogy is that deaths are inevitable, but they are worth it.

Increasingly I think the main dividing line between Brexiters (note: not leave voters) and everyone else is sanity.

Posting on an Internet forum that Brexit is a good thing and if a few people die, well that's just like a suicide bomber killing people for their beliefs, is just insane.

So do you now accept that a No Deal Brexit is incomparable with GFA?

Hopefully the UK's decision to leave the EU will not result in any deaths
What a cop out! You should be a politician! Although government ministers don't seem to have your optimism. Personally I can't get my head around pushing ahead with something which 1) the majority don't want 2) will cause great economic damage 3) will ruin our international reputation and 4) is expected to kill at least some people. What a great day for democracy.

{Hopefully the UK's decision to leave the EU will not result in any deaths. If there are any deaths due to the lack of treatments, medicines, etc., that is a planning issue as opposed to Brexit on its own.}

'Hopefully' is not what the UK government is voted in to do for the UK citizens. They are there for long term planning, implementation and governance. In more usual times the Civil Service make this happen, and smooth out the occasional blip from errant ministers.
Now it is almost guaranteed that there will be 'accidental' unnecessary deaths, because the process of 'Brexit' isn't a blip in one or more areas of governance, but wholesale organ failure.

Compare and contrast to 'sunny uplands' better deals and untold freedom.

Seriously, if people stop engaging with life he’ll stop posting such provacative nonsense.

He’s only doing it to get a reaction.

Comparing Brexit to suicide bombers in any shape or form is despicable

You are right @Bearbehind , of course. Given the time difference, that person posts while the thread is quiet and then logging in and seeing that crap has been left there overnight is so irritating. I suppose they get off on it so there's no point feeding it.

Exactly bellini

He is incapable of offering any sensible arguments in support of Brexit so is resorting to more and more outrageous comments just to keep a crowd of women engaging with him.

Ignore!

Another 🐝 @Bearbehind. Or possibly the same one.

I reckon he’s got another bet running. Best to stop feeding.

Posting on an Internet forum that Brexit is a good thing and if a few people die, well that's just like a suicide bomber killing people for their beliefs, is just insane

That is not what has been said.

Only time will tell if Brexit is good or bad.

The action of a suicide bomber is premeditated with the intent to kill.

Brexit is not intended to kill anyone, but due to poor planning there is an increased risk to those who rely on medical supplies that are sourced from outside the UK if there is No Deal.

They are there for long term planning, implementation and governance. In more usual times the Civil Service make this happen, and smooth out the occasional blip from errant ministers

I agree with all of that. Point is that there was never a plan in place for a leave vote prior to the 2016 referendum. Even now there seems to be no plan. That is due to poor government who have failed in their duties as opposed to people voting leave in 2016.

{Only time will tell if Brexit is good or bad.}

Well it's been very bad for the last 3 years, and no sign of any improvement on the horizon.

I am not winding anyone up.
I have simply stated what I believe is right.

And I still maintain I have been unaffected directly by any rulings of the ECJ. I have, of course been affected, as have we all, be EU laws and regulations.