What are the real tangible benefits of the UK leaving the EU ?

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I assume there must be at least a couple, things that can be said with certainty, that will improve the lives of UK citizens. I am not talking about the 'feelings' stuff like sovereignty, I mean if the UK leaves the EU , X will happen and this will automatically improve the lives of the majority of the people in the UK. There has to be at least one ?

@LifeContinues no not just financial benefits swayed my decision, there are plenty of tangible non financial ones, such as free movement around Europe, easy logistics for work and personal travel to Europe. You keep going on about non-tangible benefits being the reason 37% of the electorate voted for an undefined leave and for some I'm sure in their own minds they had reasons, it's just they're wrong and have been misled. There are no benefits at all to leaving, none, nada, nothing. You can mansplain all you want but if the reasons you list are the only reasons they you are either a very poor judge of situations and consequences, or you don't care, or you are just being an arsehole. I suspect the latter.

A clear tangible benefit will be that we will not have the ECJ effectively overseeing our judiciary.

A second one is that will will not have to pay them any money. (And before LeClec jumps in 0.7% of our GDP is 0.7% too much)

A third benefit is that we will be able to negotiate our own trade deals

Fourth we will have an immigration policy suitable to the needs of the UK rather than the EU.

That's a wish list not a list of tangible benefits.

There is no tangible benefit from not paying 0.7% of GDP to the EU if the loss from Brexit is greater than 0.7% of GDP, as all analysts agree it will be. If this is too large a sum to give to the EU, is it not too large to piss up the wall in a no deal Brexit?

Negotiating trade deals is only a tangible unless the trade deals are better than you have now. There is no reasonable expectation that they will be.

There is no manageable Brexit that leaves U.K. law uninfluenced by the ECJ, and the U.K. will remain in the ECHR.

copper have you not read anything in the last 3 years?

If you had, and you understood even the tiniest bit of it, you couldn’t possibly still be reciting that same tired old list.

It’s another example of the fact this is all about immigration - you don’t actually care about the first 3 things you listed, so it doesn’t matter that none of them are even true, but it makes it sound better than just listing immigration.

And you haven’t understood we could have controlled that anyway.

{If you had, and you understood even the tiniest bit of it, you couldn’t possibly still be reciting that same tired old list.}

Unless I have got the wrong poster, Copper was saying she has a Masters degree.
If I have the wrong person, Copper has certainly been told many times that what is on her list is either not possible or is very limited.

Clearly not a degree in comprehending the blindingly obvious.

If any of those things were real tangible benefits those who recite them would be able to defend them with actual examples and counter the points raised about the consequences.

But they can’t because they’re not.

They are a list of prejudices, pure and simple

Bear, don't you dare tell me what I do and don't care about. You are an arrogant idiot.

LeClerc, yes, I have a masters.

Of course it is the case that once we leave the EU we will not be paying them.

@Coppersulphate , they are rather tired old reasons that are totally outweighed by trashing the GFA and committing economic suicide via No Deal.
But you clearly still believe them as being The Reason for all this crap.

We were never paying 'them' @Coppersulphate . We were paying into a club in which we were members, so in fact we were paying 'us'.

I confidently predict that the U.K. will pay most if not all of that £39bn.

The consequences of default would be too serious.

Threats not to pay are just willy-waving by unserious people.

Bear, don't you dare tell me what I do and don't care about. You are an arrogant idiot.

In your opinion but at least I can argue my position and don’t just spout soundbites that are 3 years out of date (and were incorrect then)

As far as I am concerned they are benefits.

I do not care if you disagree.

You can not deny that we will be free from the ECJ. To me that is both tangible and a benefit.

We will not be paying into the EU after we leave. Are you denying this? As far as I am concerned another benefit.

Boris says he will bring in a points based immigration system. A benefit and tangible.

Jason, we were net payers.

I was in French Polynesia and Pitcairn Island a few weeks ago. Both had major projects paid for by the EU with EU logos on them.
Neither are in the EU.

At least you’ve dropped trade deals from that list. Just the other 3 to go.

You can not deny that we will be free from the ECJ.

Only in a no-deal, and only for as long as you don't want a trade agreement with the EU.

I’m so fed up of the fact that, after 3 years, people still can’t

• name an ECJ ruling they disagree with and that affects them

• understand that we will lose much more than 0.7% of GDP due to losing frictionless trade

• name any countries we could have a significantly better trade arrangement with than we do already

• comprehend that we could always have controlled immigration and we need immigrants

And of course the U.K. will remain under the jurisdiction of the ECHR (which is what most leavers are thinking of when they type ECJ).

As far as I am concerned they are benefits.
How can it be a benefit if it costs MORE?

{French Polynesia and Pitcairn Island}

French Polynesia is part of France, and Pitcairn is British overseas territory, so come under the umbrella of being in the EU.

Night and day I am tormented by the vicious tentacles of the ECJ. Said nobody ever. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

I was in French Polynesia and Pitcairn Island a few weeks ago. Both had major projects paid for by the EU with EU logos on them.Neither are in the EU.

Except they both are. Your point is? en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_member_state_territories_and_the_European_Union

@Coppersulphate I know we were net payers ffs, into our club. Not a club we weren't allowed into, our club. Oh, and your list of benefits which you so staunchly support are not benefits. You may believe they are but you are wrong. Cult like belief is not a rational benefit, and the more you extol your belief system, the more it will be showed up for the pile of irrational twaddle that it is.