Reasons as to why you voted leave?

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Ladies & Gents,

This is really old news but I am new to mumsnet & would be interested as to why exactly you voted "leave" rather than "remain". Just your very honest opinion, I am not here to judge, just very intrigued.

I find it funny that @LifeContinues parents voted due to immigration when their child is in fact an immigrant themselves.

One rule for one ey?

This 'make our own laws, we have no say with what Brussels does' argument trotted out time and time again is annoying and is not true.

Especially since the Tories got in in 2010 we've chosen to opt out of the decision making process. DB can quote at some considerable length an EU law which he thinks could and should be improved. Industry people told the Government that such improvements could be made. Their response was "we don't want to know'". They ought to have added "Why kill the goose which lays the Golden Egg which is what we would do if we no longer could use the EU to blame for our own laziness or incompetence?"

As 1tislLeClerc said, Cameron wanted to be 'at the top table' when it was suggested that inner and outer rings of the EU might be the way to go.

Maggie Thatcher must be turning in her grave - the Single Market was her big idea.

@Closertotheheart but surely you know that British people living and working abroad aren't immigrants. They are special 😂

Sure about that Peregrina?
m.youtube.com/watch?v=U8Ohba25pyU

British people living and working abroad aren't immigrants. They are special

We even have a special name for them - ex pats. Sounds so much better than immigrant or resident alien.

Non-compliance only benefits those who don’t trade at all with the EU because few manufacturers can afford to produce goods to 2 standards.

But they have to produce goods to 2 standards if they trade with certain other major non EU markets, such as America, Australia, China, etc. That's my point. Other major non EU countries have their own different standards too. The EU harmonisation is fine for those trading entirely within the EU, but can add cost, time, etc for those who don't. The UK does a massive amount of trade with countries outside the EU.

Twooter
Certainly an interesting video clip but various elements have come about and some haven't.
Unfortunately some of Thatchers other policies buggered the UK more than being in the EEC.

I’m asking which actual countries do we want to have trade deals with and what can they offer us / will they want in return

Basically, all countries outside the EU. When I was finance director of a UK manufucturing exporter (multi million pound turnover) with most customers outside the EU, we found the EU to be an albatross around our necks. Our customers were major contractors for the worldwide oil and gas exploration industry, most of our goods were exported to the South China Seas, Australasia, Americas, etc. We were always competing against non EU companies for non EU customers yet we had to comply with EU regulations as well as whatever local regulations were in place and whatever the customers stipulated. An added complication was that we imported raw materials (steels etc) from outside the EU too, which likewise had to comply with EU rules even though the import and export were both outside the EU. We ended up opening a subsidiary factory/facility in America to escape the EU and eventually most production was moved there, to the UK's loss of profits/tax/employment etc.

{ sonlypuppyfat Fri 05-Jul-19 11:37:53

I voted leave, we are not coping with the amount of people coming in. All the countryside near me is going to be built on, the local school has had to build on its playing fields. I went to a carboot sale last week I never heard my own language! Very few of them come here to join in with the rest of us. They send most of their earnings home, they don't learn English}

Like your previous posts, just a collection of 'rants' bordering on racism, and omitting the fact that all aspects of what you say are fully under UK government control.

By 1995 Thatcher had been out of power for about 5 years.

A bit like the true BrexitBelievers who have gone from 'No one is talking about leaving the single market' to wanting the hardest Brexit possible, she had obviously changed her mind.

That clip doesn't mention the Single Market. This, referring to a time when she was still in power, does.
www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/21/margaret-thatcher-backed-single-market-in-draft-bruges-speech
“Our destiny is in Europe, as part of the Community.”

The final paragraph of that article is telling.
But Thomas was unhappy with the impact of the speech. Collins said: “An exposition of ‘Europe des patries’ had been written up by the press simply as an attack on federalism and Bruges became famous as an anti-European speech rather than one that set out a workable alternative European ideal to compete with that of the federalists.”

Ultimately setting the Tories on the course they are on now where cooperating with our nearest neighbours is complete anathema unless they are kowtowing to us. Anything a right wing American Government does must be complied with slavishly - a slightly lefter wing, like the Obama administration - no they were not sure about that.

I strongly suspect that Kazzyhoward is ranting about black and brown faces. There are likely to be more of them if we Brexit. Enjoy.

Sorry I attributed the rant to the wrong person it was sonlypuppyfat

I don't see anything racist in Kazzyhowards posts, so apologies are due there.

I strongly suspect that Kazzyhoward is ranting about black and brown faces.

Then you're 100% wrong.

And it's not ranting, it's the reality of actually dealing with international trade on a daily basis as part of my job as finance director. Rather than someone who's read something in the Guardian but has never actually been involved in international import/export trade.

When I was finance director of a UK manufucturing exporter (multi million pound turnover) with most customers outside the EU,

An added complication was that we imported raw materials (steels etc) from outside the EU too, which likewise had to comply with EU rules even though the import and export were both outside the EU.

So you weren't importing anything into the UK at all? An American subsidiary does then make sense. It will of course work the other way - as part of the EU some foreign companies e.g. Japanese ones find us attractive; once we are no longer in the EU that attraction goes and they will move production elsewhere.

Unless you dive into specific cases international trade is difficult to summarise.
For what I do, trading with Europeans, being in the EU makes a lot of sense. Trading with the USA adds a whole range of shit that I can't be bothered with trying to comply with, so easier to abandon that market.
Being within the EU also opens doors to simplify trading with Australia and others of course. Not necessarily 'friction free' but some of the groundwork is covered.

kazzy thank you for your reply but everything you’ve said about trade is very generic.

Can you give some specific countries and state what we can trade with them that we can’t now and what they’d want from us in return?

{ We were always competing against non EU companies for non EU customers yet we had to comply with EU regulations as well as whatever local regulations were in place and whatever the customers stipulated}
Any company with aspirations of trading worldwide would automatically design and specify their products to meet international regulations. It is a matter of deciding who you are pitching to, and design/conform to those you feel as a company it is worthwhile pursuing. Although there are differences in safety regulations it is not necessarily that more expensive to design in the 'best'.
In the domestic electronics industry, prototypes are certified (which is very expensive) to meet all world specifications, but if it is particularly price sensitive, components may be omitted or downgraded when supplied to some territories.

@sonlypuppyfat you are aware the OP is German arent you?

Could you try to be more considerate and a little less racist in your rant please? You have no idea how upsetting the tone of your post can be to others.

Probably goes a fair way to explaining why OP doesnt like speaking to her son in German, with crappy xenophobic attitudes like puppyfats.

What on earth did I say that was racist, I said we were not coping, that all the countryside is being destroyed to build more homes and schools, how is that racist. I said that people are coming here and not learning English, not assimilating, how is any of that racist

I find it funny that @LifeContinues parents voted due to immigration when their child is in fact an immigrant themselves

My parents are aware that to work in another country outside EU my employer has to prove to the relevant ministries that a local cannot be employed to do the same job. They are also aware that I will be subject to the local tax laws and that employer must guarantee that my presence will not result in any claim whatsoever against public funds.

In their opinion UK is too soft and rolls over for immigrants by providing housing and benefits even though they have never paid UK taxes. Father in particular can’t believe that his NHS pension, after a lifetime of service, pays less than DIL benefits who came from outside the EU and has never paid a penny in taxes.

Your post said enough to me.

"I voted leave, we are not coping with the amount of people coming in".

" I went to a carboot sale last week I never heard my own language! Very few of them come here to join in with the rest of us. They send most of their earnings home, they dont learn English".

If you see no problem in this you are tone deaf. As PP have mentioned, you may reduce EU nationals coming here, but not non-EU ones.

In their opinion UK is too soft and rolls over for immigrants by providing housing and benefits even though they have never paid UK taxes.

That's not ALL immigrants you fool!

You might not like what I said but its really not racist is it.