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Westminstenders: Long live liberalism

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RedToothBrush · 30/06/2019 11:54

Talk of its demise are premature.

(Sorry up to eyeballs this weekend)

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prettybird · 03/07/2019 15:58

Happy Birthday BCF CakeFlowers

....I presume today is a "5" day, not a "2" day Wink

QueenOfThorns · 03/07/2019 16:00

Ooh, I love flammkuchen! They’re an annual treat from the Christmas market, so I have a long time to wait until my next one! Happy birthday, BCF Cake

BigChocFrenzy · 03/07/2019 16:01

Thanks everyone Grin
I hope noone's tum is rumbling too loudly

BigChocFrenzy · 03/07/2019 16:06

Analysis of the Faragist social media strategy in the recent EP elections:

https://www.89up.org/news/how-brexit-party-won-uk-s-online-battle-european-elections

•	<span class="italic">Their campaign was overwhelmingly negative.</span>
We were able to locate just 4 Facebook posts framing Brexit as an opportunity; 
posts describing Britain as humiliated or criticising the establishment were far more common.

•	<span class="italic">We were unable to locate any posts about specific policy issues,</span>^
 such as climate change, the environment, immigration, or refugees.

•	Labour was the main target of attacks by The Brexit Party

•	<span class="italic">Their ad campaign heavily prioritised older voted.</span> 
<span class="italic">55-64-year-olds were included in targeting for 98.2% of Facebook Ads,</span>
DGRossetti · 03/07/2019 16:25

Who's keeping a running total of Boris promises ? Looks like Hammond had early sight of this ....

uk.reuters.com/article/us-britain-economy-pmi/uk-economy-shrinks-as-brexit-global-worries-mount-pmi-idUKKCN1TY18J

LONDON (Reuters) - Britain’s economy appears to have shrunk for the first time since late 2012 between April and June as worries about Brexit were compounded by global trade tensions, a closely watched survey showed on Wednesday.

(contd)

BigChocFrenzy · 03/07/2019 16:34

Washinton Post: Will Boris Johnson bring Trumpism to Britain ?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/07/02/will-boris-johnson-bring-trumpism-britain/?

He’s a narcissistic serial philanderer with larger-than-life hair < Shock amazing simiarity ! >
who was born in New York.

He lies routinely and has encouraged political violence.

He makes racist statements,
^basks in the media attention from his outlandish statements
and unapologetically follows self-interest rather than principle.^

Now he’s about to become one of the most powerful men in the world

No, this isn’t America in November 2016. I speak of Britain in July 2019.
....
There are, of course, plenty of differences between Boris Johnson and Donald Trump.

But their biggest hidden similarity

  • the one nobody is talking about -
is how their paths to power were paved by a conservative political party that decided to become a vehicle for xenophobic nationalism, co-opting bigots and lunatics rather than denouncing them. .... the tea party wasn’t really about government spending. It was far more about nostalgia for a whiter, more socially conservative America - an America Trump would promise to bring back with the slogan on his red hats.

That fact was laid bare when the tea party moved seamlessly from opposing Obama to supporting Trump,
who hasn’t just racked up trillions of dollars of new debt with soaring deficits
but also has been the only president to do so during times of economic prosperity.
....
Across the Atlantic, the Tories are making a similar calculation
^because of the rising electoral might of the Brexit Party,

the brainchild of xenophobic firebrand Nigel Farage.^

That party is ostensibly held together by opposition to the European Union, but a sizable percentage of its members are also driven by xenophobia.
.....
When a new party has taken half your political base virtually overnight, as the Brexit Party has, you have to take note.

Enter Boris Johnson.

Despite the fact that his Eton-Oxford background screams elite establishment, 🤦🏻‍♀️
he has positioned himself as an anti-establishment populist 🤦🏻‍♀️

  • and one who will destroy the Brexit Party not by defeating it but by co-opting it into the Conservative party.
lonelyplanetmum · 03/07/2019 16:36

Apparently the judgment in the judicial review of the misfeasance in public office case against Johnson is released. The person leading the prosecution is optimistic...so perhaps by the time he's PM we will see an appeal in a civil case against him. That will be a first here presumably?

LonelyTiredandLow · 03/07/2019 16:49

Happy Birthday BCF! Smile Cake Flowers Wine

dreichuplands · 03/07/2019 17:00

Looks lovely BCF.
Enjoy your birthday.

DGRossetti · 03/07/2019 17:39

Be curious to see which side Donnie Darko falls on in this spat ...

Even more curious to see how it's handled by the government. One the one hand I imagine Brexiteers are gagging for the UK to tell China to shove it - maybe we could sail a gunboat up the Yangtze ?

On the other hand (of course) we need China an awful lot more as the UK than as the UKinEU ....

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48855643

China has warned the UK not to "interfere in its domestic affairs" amid a growing diplomatic row over the recent protests in Hong Kong.

Its UK ambassador said relations had been "damaged" by comments by Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt and others backing the demonstrators' actions.

yolofish · 03/07/2019 17:55

can I just add to 'nero fiddling while Rome burns' the following:
shit creek/no paddle
hell/handcart
etc.

I am not feeling optimistic today about the coming days, weeks, months and years.

LonelyTiredandLow · 03/07/2019 17:55

DGR - you forget we don't need anyone! They need us more than we need them! Make Uk Great Again (aka Mug-a) Wink
I can imagine which side we will come down on and it is pro-Trump.

LonelyTiredandLow · 03/07/2019 18:01

Actually the funny thing about the China events is that I feel many Tories may have decided to put £ into their side of the planet while Brexit is happening. I suspect once the markets start to dip we may see increasing attempts at steadying the ship.

Iambuffy · 03/07/2019 18:33

Supermarkets warn October no-deal date 'as bad as it gets'

Sainsbury's, Asda and Tesco say a no-deal scenario this autumn could create difficulties ahead of the key Christmas period.

Wednesday 3 July 2019 17:18, UK

Image:In October supermarkets will be building up stocks ahead of Christmas

Bosses at Britain's three biggest supermarkets have warned that a potential 31 October no-deal Brexit would be "as bad as it gets" as they build up stock ahead of Christmas.
Sainsbury's chief executive Mike Coupe said toys and electrical goods could be affected by disruption at UK ports while Asda's Roger Burnley highlighted the risk of "fresh food sitting in ports rotting".

Tesco boss Dave Lewis told the BBC that while it had stockpiled some goods ahead of the original March Brexit deadline, it would be more difficult this time with warehouses "full of things getting ready for Christmas so there will be less capacity".

Image:Sainsbury's boss Mike Coupe said a no-deal could disrupt people's Christmases

The warnings come as Tory leadership candidates Boris Johnson and Jeremy Hunt keep open the possibility of a no-deal scenario, though both say they would prefer to leave with a deal.
Mr Coupe said the 31 October date was "about as bad as it gets".

"A no-deal scenario would be very disruptive to us, and I think the timing of it means it would be potentially disruptive to people's Christmases."
His comments came as Sainsbury's reported a worsening sales decline for the first quarter of the financial year amid what it described as a "tough retail environment".

Image:Asda's Roger Burnley said fresh food from Europe was the biggest area of concern

At Asda, Mr Burnley said: "If you're choosing a time for a dramatic change [to the rules], you wouldn't be choosing October, for sure.
"Fresh food from Europe is the area of biggest concern and we need to makes sure it's friction free and can come across the channel as quickly and seamlessly as it does today.
"We don't want lorries with fresh foods sitting in ports rotting."
The British Retail Consortium said the 31 October deadline would come at the "worst possible time for retail".
BRC chief executive Helen Dickinson it coincided with the "height of preparations for Christmas and Black Friday, which are peak trading periods, threatening to cause disruption for consumers and businesses, and making further stockpiling of goods almost impossible".
"It is vital that the next prime minister reaches a deal with the EU and avoids the cliff edge," she said.

NoWordForFluffy · 03/07/2019 18:36

You know what? I actually think that Christmas being 'ruined' is exactly the type of thing that will piss even the most fervent leavers off.

Fuck business, fuck jobs, but god forbid you fuck with Christmas!

1tisILeClerc · 03/07/2019 18:47

They are just getting their excuses for poor profit warnings in early.

NoWordForFluffy · 03/07/2019 18:52

They are just getting their excuses for poor profit warnings in early

So you think they're lying and no deal won't actually affect Christmas stocks?

DGRossetti · 03/07/2019 18:53

They are just getting their excuses for poor profit warnings in early.

I'm guessing there are a lot of shit managers breathing sighs of relief.

Anyone remember the "Yes Minister" where Sir Humphrey commented that the floods in '63 were a great year for the civil service as it gave them decades of excuses about missing files ....

Gentlemen - I give you Brexit !

(apologies for the casual sexism, but it's paraphrasing a movie quote ....)

Iambuffy · 03/07/2019 18:54

Tbh I'm at the "just sign the fucking WA and let's get on with this shitshow!" Stage now :(

Iambuffy · 03/07/2019 19:01

I have a theory actually...

Now TM and OR are on the way out I wouldn't put it past either of those 2 quisling motherfuckers to bring the WA back before the HofC and for it to pass.
Marginally, perhaps, but pass.

A few MPs getting cold feet about economic armageddon will push it through. Even those who don't think we need experts...

BigChocFrenzy · 03/07/2019 19:01

Possibly egged on by Trump too ?

He has started a trade war with China (..... and with the EU and India, all the big economic rivals to the US)

Iambuffy · 03/07/2019 19:03

I wonder if not being able to get port or truffle oil might sway the tory membership?

Because the suffering of the most vulnerable certainly doesn't.

BigChocFrenzy · 03/07/2019 19:03

That was in response to DG's China post
iPad burped up another page

bellinisurge · 03/07/2019 19:08

Inclined to agree with your theory @Iambuffy

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