Westminstenders: Brace Yourself It's Gonna BeBoris

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It seems inconceivable that Hunt can beat Johnson. And whilst we are all considering the horrors that Prime Johnson can bring...

Let's not forget Brexit, whats Brexit?

Already there is talk that Boris has gone soft on 31st Oct as an absolute. But he's also promised the earth to the ERG.

So what suits Boris best?

What does his ego demand?

What does Boris want his legacy to be?

Our fate rests on Boris's whims and personal desires.

And if you are Scottish, Muslim or otherwise not rich, white and male you might have reason to be concerned.

What happened to John Major? Just saying.

The ‘bastards* did for him as I recall (amongst other things).

The simple question I want answered by leavers, is how they envisaged the GFA was adhered to, while having a hard Brexit..,,,what is their solution to the Irish boarder..... no one has been able to answer that very simple, and fundamental question.

You'd need to find a Leaver that gave the slightest shit about it before the referendum. Which is going to be a loooooong task. Even if they do claim admit they considered it, you'll just be told they assumed "it would all be sorted".

Problem is it is the remain MPs that will get the blame. Already it is completely ignored that ERG members are culpable by many leavers.

John Major ?

He saw off the bastards. He resigned, and stood for re-election saying "come on if you think you're hard enough". Turns out they weren't and that was that.

That's how you deal with opposition from your own party. Not by cravenly caving into it at the first opportunity.

It was an interview with Raab and Johnson that put the DUP off the WA definitely and for good.

The DUP decided ‘they were not really unionists’.

Apparently Johnson did not assure them that he would strive to maintain regulatory alignment between Britain and NI after Brexit.

That was to outsomnia ^^

I think there is, for some reason, a pathological hatred of anything european in the UK

The holidays taken there don't support that argument.

It's foreigners some people have a problem with. Wherever they are. Bearing in mind there is a class of Brit (or Englishperson) for whom anybody anywhere not speaking English is a foreigner. That's not hyperbole. Watch some of the TV and films from the 60s and 70s.

He saw off the bastards. He resigned, and stood for re-election saying "come on if you think you're hard enough". Turns out they weren't and that was that.

Yet the ghost of them lives on today.

She survived a no confidence vote against them for all the good it did.

I wonder if any of this current crop of ‘bastards’ will be experiencing their own ‘ Portillo’ moment.

Thanks @DGRossetti - but as informed remainers- we all believe this to be the case..... I was hoping @LouiseCollins28 may not have flounced off and maybe able to articulate this...... but no.

It's like a friend on Facebook who after the European election s post " now give us the brexit we voted for" when I asked what this was - she couldn't define it. It's so frustrating...and I would guarantee she will have family who will be seriously affected by this.
Plus she loves a holiday in Europe - I am waiting for her to start bitching about passport lines.

PMK.

Thanks, Red.

I was hoping @LouiseCollins28 may not have flounced off and maybe able to articulate this...... but no

Like Arnie, they'll be back under one name or another. The Leaver echo chamber is shrinking.

It's a bit galling that leavers do seem to think those of us who have actually exercised our freedom of movement are not allowed an opinion on Brexit.

You could say undemocratic.

May didn't have the option of resigning and taking the bastards on DGR because they had changed the rules.

Think Mays attempt at taking the Bastards on was the General Election where she expected to get enough of a majority not to have to worry about needing their votes. We all know how that one went.

May didn't have the option of resigning and taking the bastards on DGR because they had changed the rules.

I wasn't thinking of her, but Cameron. Not sure when they changed the rules so your point might stand for him too. Not that it improves his standing with me one tiny bit. He's still the worst Prime Minister this country has ever seen. Which is quite an achievement over 3 centuries.

Cameron thought he was taking them on by calling the referendum hoping to silence them once and for all, that didn’t turn out too well either.

Tory’s haven’t tackled the eurosceptics because the beliefs are entrenched in some of their longstanding support and wins them votes it’s practically in their DNA as illustrated by the You Gov poll this week.

Cameron thought he was taking them on by calling the referendum hoping to silence them once and for all, that didn’t turn out too well either.

Not really. And if he did it was half arsed. Also the way he played fast and lose with the law (may yet come back to haunt him) makes it the worst possible way to deal with what was effectively a minority in the Tory party.

Anyway, we're here because of his lack of spine and ability. If we at least had lost the predilection for posh men running the country with no ability or morality, then some good may have been said to have emerged from it all. Sadly we haven't even got that.

DG didn’t say Cameron’s idea was a good plan or that it was well executed just that it was his way to get the party to ‘stop banging on about Europe’ . In effect yes pandering to a noisy minority of his own party who now get to choose our next Prime Minister which will shape the future of this country for decades.

I have a feeling that he will just go for a NI only backstop and to hell with the DUP.

The only problem with Boris saying 'to hell with the DUP' is that they are the only thing giving the tories their (ever dwindling) majority. If they try to sack off the DUP the entire government falls. And Labour aren't going to sign off on a NI only backstop and sign off on a tory brexit when they are being given the chance to topple them, instead.

The rule about a leader not being allowed to resign and stand again was brought in precisely because Major did that

• the 1922 was pissed and didn't want a future leader to have that power

The rule change was in the late 1990s or early Noughties, but definitely before Cameron became leader
So he couldn't have "done a Major" even if he had the guts

BJ might agree with JC to pass the WA & PD with NI-only backstop

with JC imediately afterwards going for an NC to force a GE

However, difficult to imagine any Tory agreeing anything with JC

*Big^ Tory party is getting very good at checkmating itself.

He's still the worst Prime Minister this country has ever seen.

Agreed DG. And he has the audacity to publish his bloody memoirs when we're still likely to be in the middle of the shitstorm he initiated.

It seems I missed the fun earlier as I think I am the only 'male prolific poster not residing in the UK'. Having a very sociable afternoon kissing french ladies (in the purely platonic sense) seems OK to me.
The fact I am a parent and being 'fucked over' by the Brexiteer/leavers to a greater extent than most who reside in the UK (in common with all non UK residents) is just something I will have to live with.