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Westminstenders: Brace Yourself It's Gonna BeBoris

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RedToothBrush · 21/06/2019 10:51

It seems inconceivable that Hunt can beat Johnson. And whilst we are all considering the horrors that Prime Johnson can bring...

Let's not forget Brexit, whats Brexit?

Already there is talk that Boris has gone soft on 31st Oct as an absolute. But he's also promised the earth to the ERG.

So what suits Boris best?

What does his ego demand?

What does Boris want his legacy to be?

Our fate rests on Boris's whims and personal desires.

And if you are Scottish, Muslim or otherwise not rich, white and male you might have reason to be concerned.

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Icantreachthepretzels · 21/06/2019 15:02

I think the question can be narrowed down to WHICH brexit did leavers vote for.

I think there is 17.4 million different answers to that (and a nod to those of that number who have since changed their mind - my ire and vitriol, today, is in no way aimed at all of you).
Which comes back to them knowing what they wanted when they voted, but not knowing what they were getting - or if what they wanted in any way tallied with what their fellow leavers wanted, or if it was even possible. A nuance some find very difficult to understand.

DGRossetti · 21/06/2019 15:11

I think the question can be narrowed down to WHICH brexit did leavers vote for

The only one they could.

"The UK should leave the European Union".

What other choices were there ?

The past three years have seen Leavers of all stripes trying to convince Remainers that they voted for the Indian, when an Italian is delivered, or a Chinese when a Graze Box appears.

It's impossible - on so many levels - to vote for something which cannot be defined. And a paradigm of the undefinable is "Leave the European Union". It's not difficult to define. Like a quantum state it's impossible to define. And - like a quantum state - the moment it's been defined as one thing it cannot be another.

If Leavers had any brains (and we know after three years that while they do, it's only one, and gets shared around and occassionally lost awhile) they would have cottoned onto that fact themselves. And it would have been no shame. There's not a person on planet Earth who can truly claim to understand quantum mechanics. And they don't suffer men from other countries asking them questions. It's just accepted.

That's the real Brexit problem - no one wants to collapse the waveform and check the cat.

HesterThrale · 21/06/2019 15:11

Tusk thinks the UK have ‘wasted the time’. (But he’s understanding about it.)

www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/donald-tusk-on-new-prime-minister-and-brexit-1-6119015

DGRossetti · 21/06/2019 15:13

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TatianaLarina · 21/06/2019 15:16

Btw my name is Wolf and I’m a lorry driver from Cologne.

DGRossetti · 21/06/2019 15:20

Btw my name is Wolf and I’m a lorry driver from Cologne.

Did you get to pick your own name ?

Icantreachthepretzels · 21/06/2019 15:29

You can taunt DGR but only once you've got the ridiculing and sneering out of the way. No pudding until after vegetables are eaten and all that. Everything in it's proper order. And gloating absolutely has to come after the derision is over and done with.

DGRossetti · 21/06/2019 15:36

(slopes off)

On a serious note, can anyone (and they'd have to be older than me ?) ever recall a single issue jamming up the entire working of the UK for as long as this. Ever.

Even during WW2, the welfare state and NHS were being planned. What have we got to show for the past 3 years ? I guess the pencils are sharp in the Palace of Westminster. And they devised a new tea rota.

I commented on it before, but I think we really are reaching the end of Brexit as something the entire country can keep on talking around. Leave or Remain. There are still at least 3 - maybe 4 - months of fuck all to happen while it's all happening. And I think that direction of travel doesn't favour Leavers. Because if you are daft enough to put your cross in a box you have fuck all idea about, you are also hardly going to be massively invested in the result. Especially after 3 years and you've had 4 holidays to Spain in the meantime.

LonelyTiredandLow · 21/06/2019 15:54

I think that's a nope DGR Grin
Brexit Britain is indeed very broken.

BigChocFrenzy · 21/06/2019 16:02

I think louise was not unreasonable to believe leading politicians when they promised the UK could Brexit
and still keep the bits of the EU we really needed for trade etc

There would have been a Parliamentary majority for that kind of deal, from the Tories alone - who had a working majority at the time of the ref.

To believe that they actually knew what they were doing, had a plan, or at least could form a plan within a couple of years.

louise may have been overly trusting, but not unreasonable

BigChocFrenzy · 21/06/2019 16:04

This govt are like a supposedly reputable building firm who talk the talk very well and have fancy broschures,
but turn out to be cowboys who leave your house wrecked for years

Bearbehind · 21/06/2019 16:09

louise may have been overly trusting, but not unreasonable

But that doesn’t explain Leavers insistence that it’s still what they want now

There’s still a failure by Leavers to even acknowledge let alone accept what is actually possible in practice.

Oakenbeach · 21/06/2019 16:09

If so, perhaps people will see that a Corbyn led Labour Government is not an inevitability if the Tories fall!

Enough to matter ?

It’s potentially very important.... Tory MPs will
be making the judgement whether a no-deal is worse than Corbyn.

If they feel that LibDems and others can mobilise the Remain vote effectively to gain a substantial number of seats, that would be likely to influence them.... as even if Corbyn does become PM, he does so at the head of a minority government that would blunt his excesses.

LonelyTiredandLow · 21/06/2019 16:10

Yes BCF, but are they also too ashamed/proud to write an honest review to warn other prospective clients off, just in case the neighbours see?

Oakenbeach · 21/06/2019 16:11

As in Tory MPs deciding whether to vote down the Government... and with the recall, that is likely to reduce the effective majority to just 2!

billysboy · 21/06/2019 16:11

Looking forward to Boris being PM

Much better than any other alternative candidate put forward

where are Corbyn and Labour in all of this ? silence is deafening !

bellinisurge · 21/06/2019 16:13

Why should Labour say anything. And Corbyn is a useless twat in case you are kidding yourself that all Remain supporters are Labour.

Ellie56 · 21/06/2019 16:20

On a serious note, can anyone (and they'd have to be older than me ?) ever recall a single issue jamming up the entire working of the UK for as long as this. Ever.

No. DH and I were only saying the other day we couldn't remember another time in our lives (and we're both in our sixties) when the country was in such a mess, or when there was so much unrest, anger and ill feeling. Sad

BigChocFrenzy · 21/06/2019 16:21

"where are Corbyn and Labour in all of this "

Never interrupt an enemy while he is making a mistake ?

I expect Corbyn to call for an NC vote as soon as the new PM comes to the HoC

ThereWillBeAdequateFood · 21/06/2019 16:21

where are Corbyn and Labour in all of this ? silence is deafening

Fucking Corbyn. Useless git.

DGRossetti · 21/06/2019 16:24

where are Corbyn and Labour in all of this ? silence is deafening !

Where would you have them be, on the matter of an internal decision for the Tory party ? Just because the Tories made a lot of froth about Labours process doesn't mean it's mandatory. Just ill-mannered.

What part of Europe are you from at the moment ?

Basilpots · 21/06/2019 16:30

On a serious note, can anyone (and they'd have to be older than me ?) ever recall a single issue jamming up the entire working of the UK for as long as this. Ever.

Nope. Certainly not one self inflicted, other things have taken an age to get through the legislation but nothing that has ever caused everything else to grind to a halt.

BertrandRussell · 21/06/2019 16:33

Not sure what you want Labour to say about the bizarre happenings in the Tory Party. Nothing they could say could make it worse!

One hopes they’ll be more outspoken when Parliament resumes after the summer recess. Starting by reminding Johnson that by his own account he has no mandate to be Prime Minister.

lonelyplanetmum · 21/06/2019 16:43

we couldn't remember another time in our lives (and we're both in our sixties) when the country was in such a mess, or when there was so much unrest, anger and ill feeling

Why aren't we all out in the streets. Boris fucking Johnson is about to hold the most prestigious office in the land.

He's a mendacious, self serving incompetent with no morals and no compassion or integrity.

I still can't believe it.

Bearbehind · 21/06/2019 16:45

I have a feeling that something (don’t know what) is going to happen that means BJ bows out of the PM race.

He knows it’s a poison chalice and that he can’t deliver a Brexit that pleases anyone let alone everyone.

Watch this space.

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