Westminstenders: Brace Yourself It's Gonna BeBoris

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It seems inconceivable that Hunt can beat Johnson. And whilst we are all considering the horrors that Prime Johnson can bring...

Let's not forget Brexit, whats Brexit?

Already there is talk that Boris has gone soft on 31st Oct as an absolute. But he's also promised the earth to the ERG.

So what suits Boris best?

What does his ego demand?

What does Boris want his legacy to be?

Our fate rests on Boris's whims and personal desires.

And if you are Scottish, Muslim or otherwise not rich, white and male you might have reason to be concerned.

I think they must live in the wrong area - apparently 4 other neighbours also heard the row and were worried
Maybe the whole road is Leftie Lane?

It is all to make him look more "pro" Brexit and again highlight divisions. The fact they didn't answer the door x3 should have suggested that they wanted this to get to the public.

As Tanith (I think?) pointed out, Trump knew it was between BJ and Hunt before it had begun. Why more press haven't picked up on that...it's as if everyone is just waiting to see what "the plan" is and it doesn't matter where it comes from any more.

Just imagine if Macron did this

Or Corbyn.

But I have said all along, there won't be a squeak about 'Sovereignty' when we are a vassal state of the US.

I read somewhere that a lot of members deserted the Tory party when Cameron brought in equal marriage. I could imagine that these would be the ones who would have objected to Johnson cocklodging, shagging around, having the morals of an alley cat, ordering his affairs the way he does.

Conflating the 'culture war' or incel attack as I prefer to call it, with defending women being injured or murdered in their own homes will lead to more women and children's deaths by domestic violence perpetrators.

Most criminals are white men. Most victims are women. The gradual elimination of the CPS means we are living through an actual war on women and children.

With the new pm leading the charge.

The Secret Barrister@BarristerSecret
I’ve lost count of the number of domestic violence cases I’ve successfully prosecuted which only came to the police attention because of the actions of concerned neighbours. These people are literal life-savers. For MPs to discourage this for political point scoring is shameful.

The fact they didn't answer the door x3 should have suggested that they wanted this to get to the public
You could well be right.

Thanks for that byline article Woman. At the end it says..

"Johnson and Bannon first became close during the US presidential transitional period in late 2016, when the then foreign secretary flew out to talk to the Trump national security adviser."

Not that it will make any difference - much of the Tory and turquoise parties see NF and BJ fawning subservience to the US as a positive. Whereas helping lead the EU jointly and cooperatively was a negative.

It's like that two Ronnies and John Cleese sketch " I look up to him" " I know my place" . Perhaps because of our class system we have delusions of grandeur towards some nations and paradoxically are comfortable looking up to others. Collaborative equal and cooperative international relationships just aren't our thing.

Perhaps because of our class system we have delusions of grandeur towards some nations and paradoxically are comfortable looking up to others. Collaborative equal and cooperative international relationships just aren't our thing.

That’s a very good point

Is Johnson likely to take one time Tory voters back from Farage's Brexit party? If it doesn't, then he's failed.

Of Hunt vs Johnson, I do think that Hunt could have the capacity to grow into the job, and he might not be as much of Trump's poodle as the US hopes. (Crossing fingers and praying for miracles.)

Re the US influence.
It wouod also be good to remember who is having so much influence on Trump.
And who has been meddling during the referendum campaign.

I’m pretty sure that if someone was to dig a little deeper, we wouod find the Russian influence there. Russia who has such a huge issue with the EU and has so much to gain by weakening it.

The "leftie smear" is a propaganda technique to undermine the triangle of accountability inherent in a liberal democracy between the executive, the press and the law. It is fundamental that we are able to talk about and have public scrutiny over any potential abuses of power by a prime minister or someone seeking to be prime minister.

See my post at 9.40am this morning on the other thread in feminism about Johnson and Symmonds.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3618507-Police-called-to-home-of-Boris-and-Carrie-Symonds

This is why knowing that Bannon is part of the dynamic of Johnson is important. Bannon is seeking to destroy the pillars of liberal democracy to allow abuses of power against the public.

In addition to this, the Johnson story has background about him being a security risk, a disregard for women, a belief in two tier justice where equality does not exist, racism, abuses of power, anti social behavior and potential domestic abuse.

It is part of a pattern not an isolated incident.

It is of concern to both left and right.

There's a huge amount of evidence about the Russian help with Trump's election. Studies showing how many American's saw online targeted adverts - eg telling black female American Clinton supporters to "vote from home" to avoid queues etc.

The Wikileaks of Clinton's emails were sourced by a Russian illegal act yet that was barely mentioned any time they used the emails to discredit Hilary. They referred to the source as WikiLeaks...not Russia which was all timed to take heat off Trump's "grab em by the pussy" which we know had little effect on people who were already geared up to vote for him, but the emails swung people off Clinton by saying she "says one thing in public and another in private" - because taking emails out of context from her speeches was easier than explaining why Russia was so keen to 'help' Trump.

I do wonder whether the Security services could be the ones to eventually stitch Johnson up.

Liz Truss is getting a good grilling on Pienaar's Politics.
One contradiction after another to push over.
Sounds like Pienaar has gone soft on her. Too much like shooting fish in a barrel.

Peregrina I have found myself wondering that countless times since the ref result. I think it would be an error to assume that a) a predominantly male environment would decide to go against having more power b) anyone would listen to their facts given the current climate around experts c) any dodgy recordings of private affairs doesn't seem to damage candidates with teflon support, but boost them in the minds of male voters especially.

Going back to the caller on R2 who declared the Greenpeace protester should have been tackled to the floor and had her nose broken, he began his rant with "women want equality only when it suits them".

That is where we are with Bannon and Breitbart in this country. I'd say a lot of female leave voters almost believe this too - my ex friend was very sure that #metoo was a complete joke and some women had it coming/needed to grow up/their fault if they dress like that, etc. As a teacher of psychology it really worried me that her A'level students were being ranted at about this by her, when it was at it's height.

... sad part is I quite like Truss's voice. She sounds like someone who should be grounded in reality. (sigh)

I asked a question a while back which was confusingly answered.

Does security clearance go with the role, or the person ? If the former then what's the point of wasting my tax money on vetting, and can I have a refund for the previous 5 decades.

Or if the latter, could we see a PM with a lower security clearance than some of his cabinet ?

I would say Marina Wheeler won't say a dicky bird. She's a lot cleverer than Boris at keeping her private life private and there's no reason for her to disrupt that.

The problem is that the press is so weak that it doesn’t work as a way to balance that sort if propaganda and highlight it again and again.

That’s why having a strong press is so essential to democracy.

That’s also why we need to start talking about the Russian meddling and start a litter type of propaganda, one that defends democracy. (And I believe this should be done in all EU countries too).
It’s a new ‘order’ in that there is new way of using propaganda and influencing government/population but the whole system is still working with old rules and old reactions that do not work in this new era.

Time for everyone to wake up and TALK about it/shed light in the new tactics of destabilisation.

.... Truss's basic argument was that everyone else (but BJ) is bluffing. Insisted that BJ is the most resolute PM possible who will stick with Crash-Out threat no matter what, thereby calling the bluff posed by rebel (secret evil Remainer) Tory MPs & the EU saying no reopen on the WA

Resolute firmness commitment abounds when you think of Boris, don't you agree? (Given we all know how good BJ is at resisting the skirts of any woman not his wife)

For a wee bit of light relief: Nicola joining in the singing of Caledonia at a local event yesterday (Bungo in the Lanes - Strahbungo is in her constituency)

https://mobile.twitter.com/GaryCushway/status/1142504726099111938

Although I'm not sure she should give up her day job

I find Truss painful to listen to. The rhythm and phrasing of her speech sounds really “off” to me.

I Pienaar. Questioning J-Hunt cast as the Dumbledore Miracle Worker who will negotiate a better deal (with the nobody will be there representing the EU Commission)

"I feel for you... The far right is going to eat your party up" says one of the guests.

Must listen again later.

{I do wonder whether the Security services could be the ones to eventually stitch Johnson up.}

It would be truly fascinating to be privy to the combined 'intelligence' data from Europe, with the collusion by Farage and Bannon etc with like minded persons in Italy, France and elsewhere.

The EU is of course trying to tackle the 'fake news'/disinformation/external influences aspects with a program to try to ins til into people the need for reliable and verifiable information. We can only hope for democracy's sake that it is successful.

Can someone please explain who is (apparently) controlling/influencing who? Trump/Johnson/?Hunt are controlled/influenced by Bannon, but also promoted by the Russians? Is Bannon therefore working for Russia? Or are they just working together for convenience as their short-term goals coincide but they have different long-term aims? Or not working together at all, just independently promoting the same things for their own purposes?

If someone could please explain what they think is going on in relatively simple terms, I’d appreciate it! I can see that Trump, Bannon and Johnson are cast from the same right-wing misogynist mould, but I’m not sure whether there’s any sort of conspiracy at work.

It is all to make him look more "pro" Brexit and again highlight divisions. The fact they didn't answer the door x3 should have suggested that they wanted this to get to the public.

Or was the whole row a fabrication? Harry Cole is reporting on it in the Mail and he's her ex. It feels set-up. Her relationship with Johnson feels set-up. I don't know.