Westminstenders: Brace Yourself It's Gonna BeBoris

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It seems inconceivable that Hunt can beat Johnson. And whilst we are all considering the horrors that Prime Johnson can bring...

Let's not forget Brexit, whats Brexit?

Already there is talk that Boris has gone soft on 31st Oct as an absolute. But he's also promised the earth to the ERG.

So what suits Boris best?

What does his ego demand?

What does Boris want his legacy to be?

Our fate rests on Boris's whims and personal desires.

And if you are Scottish, Muslim or otherwise not rich, white and male you might have reason to be concerned.

Now we know why all BJ's neighbours are eager to badmouth him

We need a BJ parking thread on MN !

Ellen Barry@EllenBarryNYT

This detail in Times story on Boris Johnsons:
He parks illegally outside the flat
and there were three tickets on his windshield.

A neighbor said, “It’s got loads of parking tickets on it.
He just leaves it here.
He doesn’t care.”

I see Britain - including much of MN - has gone full-on Trump since yesterday.

Lots of people seem to think that assault is fine as long as it's a bloke in black tie with a blue rosette doing it, and Tory party members are about to elect as leader a man with a long history of chaotic relationships and dodgy attitudes to women, whose domestic disputes are sufficiently violent to result in police attendance.

God knows if I wasn't safely on the other side of the channel I'd be looking at property in Ireland right now.

Late (??) PMK

misti yes I agree. The attitude is crap in the uk atm.

The only thing is that I don't think it's something new. It has just become visible and visibly acceptable instead.

Oh god that's it for Johnson!!!

We can stomach a sexist, racist ass.

But an inconsiderate parker?!!!

Lock him up!

Easy to understand why neighbours would go public,

if it helps get rid of a neighbour who has screaming rows the whole street worry about

and maybe this too - MN parking threads get very heated:

Ellen Barry@EllenBarryNYT

This detail in Times story on Boris Johnsons:

He parks illegally outside the flat
and there were three tickets on his windshield.

A neighbor said, “It’s got loads of parking tickets on it.
He just leaves it here.
He doesn’t care.”

oops, sorry for double

I am actually with @billysboy. It's going to be an epic clusterfuck, so let's put the biggest fucker in charge. If we are burning down the house, we may as well do it properly.

After reading the latest survey findings about Conservative members I am starting to think they deserve every damn thing they get. In the meantime, I am building my stockpile and quietly shifting to international clients in my business as a prelude to leaving, if necessary.

But it's not conservative members who will suffer abc

I'm not willing to throw vulnerable people under the bus whilst shouting "fuck am all".... however tempting it may be.

I agree the most likely outcome is that the UK is fucked.
Short, medium and longterm.

Leavers and Remainers are polarised, preferring a No Deal crash with terms imposed on us later, rather than moving from their entrenched positions

YY. I've believed that for a while now. Not helped by the weakness of the press.
I really believe this situation is the result of any issues that have been left unattended (e.g. The inability to negotiate in politics or the general feeling of superiority due the Empire etc...) for generations.
The fact the UK has never seen itself as part of the EU is another good example.

The conclusion is avery hard waking up process. I'm going to hope that other countries will learn from that and will avoid being complacent about the press, freedom of speech, the EU etc... I'm not holding my breath but seeing the MASSIVE sides we are facing on a global basis with climate change, we could do with cherishing those to help us get through the next couple of generations.

Totally agree misti

Utterly dismaying

There are umpteen conspiracy / smear claims about BJ on the other thread, asking why neighbours went public
I meant to answer that for some it might not be about politics, just the neighbour from hell

I hope the neighbours who reported him don't have any of their own skeletons,
because the entire Brexit world will be hunting for them

... no deal is just the beginning - both sides would need to work together to agree a future trading arrangement

I agree with Bear

It is already apparent that there is no such thing as No Deal given the contingency plans signalled by both sides in December 2018 look very much like the bones of a Deal. There is no political or economic advantage to either side in not moving on to further negotiation - especially seem both sides look to agree that UK needs to Brexit. This is why according to Steve Baker the WTO transitional provisions (GAAT 28 or somesuch per Boris) can be utilised to maintain status quo for trade.

Been thinking for a while Boris may be looking for a way to end his liaison. Also not sure if I were a 31 year old about town I would be that enamoured of moving into no10 with him. Perhaps not a very elegant approach and certainly high risk but a public spat over a laptop (was he messaging his ex or ....?) and red wine all over the furniture gives them both an exit. DD1 reckons you could call the police on me and her Dad regularly if you were so minded. She is salty because I am encouraging jobhunting. DD3 is designing her own play - the voting for the set design is more rigged than the Tories Head is much better thanks for asking.

RBT actually it's not unusual for politicians to fall over small things compare the big shitty things they've done.
I'd love to see parking tickets and inconsiderate parking being his downfall

Why on earth is Alison Pearson calling for the neighbours of Johnson to be named and shamed on Twitter ????

What country are we living in whereby reporting a case of alleged domestic abuse to the police and gathering potential evidence is seen as something to be punished for ???

What is wrong with these people ?

{Not even clear what ‘mere detail’ you’re referring to.}

Previously Bearbehind was arguing the toss over 'THE WA' or 'A WA' which at this stage is mere detail because 27 countries are not going to reconvene all their lawyers and negotiators just to suit the UK and tit about with the WA as it stands.

At this point the UK needs someone to adequately represent the UK and have a carefully worked out plan. You can decide which font the WA is presented in when you have sorted out the other problems.

@Ianbuffy, until recently I would agree with you. But the fact remains that someone is voting for the Brexit party and a lot of someone's voted to Leave - including poor and vulnerable people. The facts are in the public domain and they have had a lot of opportunities to say "no thanks". The Conservatives are driving the most destructive Brexit, but they can do that thanks to the apathy (or active support) of the electorate.

It is already apparent that there is no such thing as No Deal given the contingency plans signalled by both sides in December 2018 look very much like the bones of a Deal. There is no political or economic advantage to either side in not moving on to further negotiation - especially seem both sides look to agree that UK needs to Brexit. This is why according to Steve Baker the WTO transitional provisions (GAAT 28 or somesuch per Boris) can be utilised to maintain status quo for trade.

Total misreading of the situation.

GATT (not GAAT) article 24 (not 28 - this tells you all you need to know about whether howabout has the faintest clue about what s/he is taking about) only applies when there is a trade agreement in existence. No deal means no agreement.

Article 24 will only apply if the WA is signed.

I do understand your frustration abc
In fact I've said much the same last year.
But I work with the most vulnerable and I'm telling you people will die if there is a no deal Brexit.

However much I despise rabid leavers - and I do - I would never wish that on anyone.

The best scenario could be no deal=rapid disintegration of basic quality of life=upsurge of support for rejoining the EU.

It would take time and tbh the damage has been done imo.

I'd we re joined we would get no "special" treatment.

We would have to join the euro for example.

{This is why according to Steve Baker the WTO transitional provisions (GAAT 28 or somesuch per Boris) can be utilised to maintain status quo for trade.}

Shame he incorrrect though. ALL current trade negotiations need the cooperation of the EU as they are an 'interested party' and the tariffs and quotas will need to be recalculated, which the EU will or at least can refuse to do, or simply delay.

No, the EU's contingency plans are nothing like the bare bones of a deal
This is a common rightwing Brexiter claim / fantasy

The contingency plans are one-sided, the UK was not consulted;
the plans would be applied for the EU's convenience and will end as soon as the EU decides
That's not a deal; it's just one side prepping

The ERG's frantic hunt for GAAT articles, debunked one by one, aree just to run down time until No Deal

The EU supporting Ireland over the backstop was never about eeconomics, always about solidarity with a member
They won't dump them and never could - it would be the end of the EU

Brexiters put principle above economics, but don't seem to realise that so do others

They can't damage the Single Market either, by letting the UK have SM privileges without the same responsibilities as members

Interesting to see such some MNetters have clearly decided there is an acceptable level of domestic abuse allowed in a relationship. Not sure that's going to act as a great inducement for any future victims.

I did wonder a few days ago about the possibility that Boris could become leader of the Tories, but not PM as he would have less support than Theresa May.

Just to clarify my ranking of all time shit prime ministers ... I agree that now it's arguable that Theresa May was/is worse than Cameron. But my criteria for Cameron was the worst PM in history which is 1721-date. That's the worst for 289 years. In 10 years time, Theresa May will be a mere footnote to his outstanding contribution to this country.

{We would have to join the euro for example.}
I am not certain the UK would be eligible as I think it has to demonstrate a period of financial stability and various other rules which may be 'marginal'.

Previously Bearbehind was arguing the toss over 'THE WA' or 'A WA' which at this stage is mere detail because 27 countries are not going to reconvene all their lawyers and negotiators just to suit the UK and tit about with the WA as it stands.

It is not ‘mere detail’ because the WA is toxic, it can’t get through parliament.

Even just giving the same document a new name would be enough to pacify half the fuckwits who are so against it.

Continually insisting the WA would need to be signed in the event of no deal just winds people up.

A no deal crash Brexit will mean people die but people die because of government policy all the time.