Westministenders: Hustings and Humilation

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Round 1 has passed.
Boris is winning. But these are the Tories. Surprises might yet happen.

But the chances are the lying buffon is full speed ahead to be the next PM. As long as he manages to keep his mouth shut.

Unfortunately being Prime Minister involves talking. This might prove to be something that bursts the BorisMania rather rapidly.

A GE is still very much on the cards.

And we might face the Constitutional and undemocratic shutting down of parliament to satisfy the Tory Faithless.

Meanwhile the EU couldn't give less shits. They just think we are wasting the time we were granted in good faith.

31st October beckons with No Deal.

Bojo doesn’t do details, he leaves them to his minions.

I saw in the media that it would save £6k per annum for those on £80k.

...and I can quite recall but I think it was spending the £39bn 'divorce bill' or money held back for no deal spending that had not been spent?

So, 25 didn't support a Labour motion, with Corbyn's name on it

There were several Labour MPs absent on official business and at least one off sick after surgery.

Some of the Labour MPs (5) were away on some sort of committee and one of the independents was recovering from surgery will scour my Twitter feed to see if I can find details. No excuses for the others.

Shouldn’t they have been paired though ???

"LabourList understands that only Melanie Onn, Ruth Smeeth and Gareth Snell actively abstained."

www.google.com/amp/s/labourlist.org/2019/06/mps-reject-labour-led-plan-to-take-control-and-block-no-deal/%3famp

I believe some were paired votes as well. Would help a lot if abstentions were broken down by category!

Cross post Misti

That sounds more likely
3 active abstentions plus probably the usual 1-2 MPs who get stuck in the bog / pass out drunk

I didn't realize there were so many Labour abstentions either. Read on the Guardian website about who had rebelled (& discovered what a delight Graham Stringer sounds - another one who adds climate change denial to being pro brexit) but didn't notice the abstainers / absentees.

Did the Labour leadership not have a say in the timing? Are there only set days where Opposition motions are possible? If not it sounds like poor planning to do it when several MPs were away.

I don't get the motivation of Labour MPs who voted with the government despite previously having spoken out against a no-deal brexit - eg Caroline Flint, who I understood to be for a softer brexit?

Another cross post!

On the ball Loon

Yep, not all the Lexiters who voted with the govt support - openly - No Deal
So their vote is .... confusing

MPs don't casually break a 3-line whip and vote for the other side
Brexit madness ?

Tony Connelly: A no-deal Brexit and Northern Ireland

Superb analysis of NI trade & scenarios, very long & detailed
MUCH worse economic prospect for NI than even GB

https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2019/0614/1055418-double-whammy-a-no-deal-brexit-and-northern-ireland/

Concern has been deepening within the North’s civil service and export sector.

Senior officials in Belfast have been writing increasingly frantic letters to Whitehall
to raise the alarm and to educate key elements of the British political and administrative systems.
....
Given the peculiar make up of the North’s economy, structured as it is around the SME and agri-food sector,
and the very tight supply chains that embrace not just the Irish Republic but Great Britain as well,
the effects could be devastating.
.....
Food industry sources depict a perfect storm:

tightly integrated, just-in-time food supply chains broken within weeks,
millions of litres of milk being stranded,
Northern traders being priced out of the GB market if cheaper South American meat starts to roll in,

EU products being channelled through Dublin Port and into Great Britain via Belfast in order to avoid UK tariffs,
traffic congestion disrupting the narrow delivery window for Northern Irish suppliers to UK supermarkets and so on.

None of this includes the disruption to cross-border services,
a much higher value trade flow, including all-island legal and financial services.

"In the absence of the backstop you will have the complete collapse in the exchange of data north and south,
the inability to recognise mutual professional qualifications,"
.....
Not only will there be an incentive for Irish beef producers to send beef north in order to avoid the Holyhead tariff, and then on to Great Britain through the back door of Belfast Port,
there would, in theory, be nothing to stop any other member state producer doing the same via Dublin.
.....
On 5 March David Sterling, the head of the Northern Ireland Civil Service, wrote to political parties warning that disruption would be "severe".

The economic and social effects would be "profound and lasting".

Jeremy Vine has an interesting story to tell about Boris Johnson.

www.facebook.com/1691455784407633/posts/2449074521979085/

It's all an act. Boris the absent-minded, Latin-quoting, chaotic genius is all an act.

Varadkar: removing Irish backstop would be as bad as no-deal Brexit

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/15/varadkar-removing-backstop-would-be-as-bad-as-no-deal-brexit

The Irish premier told RTE’s Marian Finucane programme that
the backstop is “a legally operable guarantee that we will never see a hard border emerge again”.

The difficulties we have with a time limit is effectively you are saying there will or could be a hard border once that time limit expires
– that isn’t a backstop,”

I would love to see Brexit ruin both Johnson's career and Farage's. But my worry is who else will be ruined at the same time? And not just ruined to go away and be paid silly money to write for the Telegraph like Johnson, or bunk off to the USA and his pal Trump, if Farage, but genuinely ruined.

www.channel4.com/news/meet-the-conservative-party-members-who-could-decide-the-next-prime-minister

Hope this link works. Never tried before it’s the channel 4 piece about the Tory Party members who get a vote. Scary.

So only the Tory party members vote for the prime minister, cause it's the same as voting for the chairman of a cricket club.
Not the tiniest issue about the choice of prime minister having a massive effect on the whole population.
And the reason for wanting Boris is apparently because he's a "colourful character".
I don't see the point of that kind of little video - why not actually ask those Tory members some real questions? The chairman of that local Tory association was a deeply unpleasant and unimpressive little man.

It's clear Stewart is playing the long game. He knows his star is in ascendant so is probably happy to sit back and let Johnson be the Brexit fall guy (and so say all of us). Then Stewart hopes to appear from stage left when they're looking for a safe pair of hands...

But sweet as he seems, hopefully by that point the opposition parties will have their shit sorted out so that the Tories are in the wilderness for a generation...

RS seems acceptable for a Tory but at the end of the day he's just another fucking Etonian who feels being PM is his birthright.

RIP Jo Cox.

Three years on, things seem worse in many ways, but this article by Caroline Lucas reminds us of all the positive steps that we’ve made in the last decades, and that we mustn’t lose sight of fighting for what’s right, even if it seems hopeless now.

She talks about the movement Compassion in Politics, which has the aim of ’proposing to introduce the world’s first Compassion Act. Its aim is simple: to ensure that no government be allowed to make those in the most vulnerable circumstances worse off, or benefit current generations at the expense of future ones.’

We must keep talking, trying and staying true to what we know is right, for the sake of all vulnerable groups and all women.

I do believe that most people are inherently good, that the truth will out, and justice will prevail eventually.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/jo-cox-hate-nigel-farage-boris-johnson-compassion-politics-a8960271.html

I have been musing on Fintan O'toole' article that someone linked to. He wonders why we have turned against, France, Germany etc. but happily allow an American president to come and insult our politicians (Javid) and interfere (Johnson would make a good PM.)
Is this because although France, Spain, Portugal and the Netherlands all had big successful Empires,which like us, they have lost, in no cases has one of their ex-Colonies got into a World leadership position? This is back to my idea that we haven't come to terms with the USA getting away from us.

Peregrina I think it is worse than that, I think some people think the US owes us something because it was us who 'created' them...

Not a personal opinion but the roots of language allow a lot of people here to think we are related, so to speak.

Was thinking on the Boris story and wondering how he thinks he will manage running the country. I mean, it's one thing pretending to be a buffoon and saying one thing to one person then saying the opposite to the next (depending on audience) but you simply cannot do that when in the top spot.

TM's Remainer instincts are now showing:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7145499/Theresa-threatens-block-Brexit-No-Deal-voting-Remainer-Rory-Stewart-Tory-contest.html

I don’t think ‘we’ have turned against the EU, the hard right were always anti because they see it as a socialist institution that hampers free trade with their pesky regulations and worker protections.

They - the hard right politicians and their media propagandists such as Murdoch and the Barclays - want a low tax, low regulation, low social protection economy and to be absorbed US’s trade empire via a shit trade deal.

The mistrust of Europe goes back to the Reformation and catholic absolutist regimes, and the fear of a catholic monarch. The idea that we are in danger of being ruled by Europe is 500 years old.