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Here we go again...

Just to cheer you all up;

UK signs post-Brexit free trade deal with South Korea

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48577667

yes, that's my point, too continuity

So Clavinova the UK has signed an agreement for a FTA with S Korea should the UK leave the EU with no deal. If that agreement for a FTA is implemented we will trade on terms equivalent to those currently operating under the EU - S Korea FTA (which the UK currently benefits from as an EU member). BUT, there may be adjustments (per the UK Gov website) to future FTAs to "ensure that new agreements work for both countries", so not absolutely clear that the UK will continue to trade on the same terms with S Korea.

Then there are the many other current EU FTAs where the UK DIT are yet to settle UK trading terms.

So no, not much to cheer about in reality. But thanks for trying.

{The deal would cover South Korean exports including cars and auto parts. South Korea exports mostly cars and ships to Britain, while it imports crude oil, cars and whisky.}

So, a 'car swap' (oh, the cars assembled in the UK are mostly foreign owned so that isn't much help) and whisky basically.

pollyannaperspective 1tisILeClerc
You can put a negative spin on the deal if you like - but the first reader comment I read on this was;

"Make sure this stays out of headline news and off the front pages."

The UK-SK agreement is good news but can't guarantee continuing trade on current terms because of rules of origin - it won't (can't) cover, for eg, UK-made content of SK goods that are sold in EU markets.

Not sure how big an issue this is for SK but it will be extremely important for some other markets (eg auto components made in the U.K. for vehicle assembly in South Africa and sale in the EU).

{You can put a negative spin on the deal if you like}
Well how would you describe trading up form a sportscar to a pushbike?

Scrap that - obviously can't read properly either.

clavinova Do you agree with what Leadsom said ?

https://www.indy100.com/article/andrea-leadsom-no-deal-brexit-job-losses-tory-leadership-video-8950416?fbclid=IwAR343mGjPivx_zPH5eCK2kUiAWZ9kAkZ-NZPsNn1v4Byn-6P3FRW9lzbJm0 [with video]

Brexiteer and Tory leadership candidate Andrea Leadsom has sensationally claimed in an interview with ITV
that the prospect of people losing their jobs because of Brexit was made 'very clear' during the 2016 referendum.
......
"All of that was made very, very clear.

Don't forget that the government put out a leaflet to all households,
saying that the NHS would have cuts, that pensioners would have cuts,
that we would have half a million unemployed,
so you can't tell me that people weren't told."

RS is on WATO answering questions.

He says he has the 8 signatures needed.

Steve Peers @StevePeers

Good there's a UK/SK deal, but it's false to claim "total continuity" or "same terms", as unless (amazingly) the EU have agreed otherwise, UK inputs into S Korean goods won't qualify towards tariff-free treatment under the EU/SK FTA.
tl;dr: it's worse than the current EU/SK FTA.

On Bojo and the 40p threshold... I am fortunate enough to have got to that level of earnings. Supporting this would make me feel like Judas accepting his 30 pieces of silver.

Ditto... I would do very nicely out of it, but am sickened and revolted by it. And I say this as someone who voted Tory in 2015 and 2017. No way i would ever vote for BoJo, even if Brexit didn’t exist.

Our household is in the bracket that would benefit.

This policy sickens me.

Really enjoying Rory Stewart trolling leavers on WATO by being polite and forcing them to engage with the issues beyond the usual ‘project fear’ sound bites.

RS is not supporting a second referendum.

Like pp we would do well enough out of the tax proposal but it isn't what the UK needs.
But I don't think it is small tax cuts that would keep people voting cons with BJ at the helm so much as a fear of what Corbyn would do.

BigChocFrenzy
Yes - I agree with what Andrea Leadsom says in the interview clip - the Government's 'Project Fear' warned everyone of dire consequences if we voted to leave the EU;

23 May 2016 Britain’s economy would be tipped into a year-long recession, with at least 500,000 jobs lost and GDP around 3.6% lower, following a vote to leave the EU, new Treasury analysis launched today by the Prime Minister and Chancellor shows.

www.gov.uk/government/news/britain-to-enter-recession-with-500000-uk-jobs-lost-if-it-left-eu-new-treasury-analysis-shows

22 May 2016 Brexit Could Kill 820,000 Jobs: Chancellor
news.sky.com/story/brexit-could-kill-820-000-jobs-chancellor-10291524

She says those forecasts haven't seen the light of day, nor will they, although she does acknowledge some 'short term disruption'.

NHS would have cuts, that pensioners would have cuts,
that we would have half a million unemployed,

In fact, the unemployment rate has gone down, wages have gone up, spending increases already announced for the NHS are £20.5 billion extra by 2023/24 (£394m extra per week compared to 2018/19)...

It's all fiiiiiiiiiiiinne

I agree with what Andrea Leadsom says in the interview clip

All of that was made very, very clear. Don't forget that the government put out a leaflet to all households, saying that the NHS would have cuts, that pensioners would have cuts, that we would have half a million unemployed, so you can't tell me that people weren't told.

Except that the Government leaflet sent to all households didn’t say any of those things, did it clavinova?

Link so that you can check for yourself:

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/515068/why-the-government-believes-that-voting-to-remain-in-the-european-union-is-the-best-decision-for-the-uk.pdf

Clavinova
You have obviously missed the news that the UK hasn't left yet.
The apparent 'boost' to manufacturing is coming to a a standstill because it was a 'fluke' where industry was stockpiling to cater for the March departure.
Unless you can find reliable data that shows say 500,000 NEW jobs that will not be affected when the UK leaves you are frankly 'pissing in the wind'.
Oh, and while you are there, how about guaranteeing citizens rights and compensation for the losses that the UK remainers have been dragged into (that is about 43 Million of us as remainers and non voters have all lost).

So, after telling people it was all bunkum and it most certainly wouldn't happen, they are now talking out of the other side of their mouths. They are basically saying to people who believed them that they should scratch that and now (after the vote) the warnings are to be heeded.

Bit after the fact. Dishonestly scrabbling for any excuse. Can't even stand by what they said.

Andrea Leadsom would have a fair point if when these projections of job losses etc were made leavers like herself had said, "yes this is true but it will be worth it"
Instead it just got labeled project fear and was dismissed.
It is simply rewriting history to pretend that the economic pain Brexit would cause was universally acknowledged by leavers before the vote.
It was acknowledged by remainers and dismissed by leavers.
Now if they had stuck it on the side of a bus and people had still voted for it then fair enough.

Leadsom is seemingly not a favourite of Leave voters sharing memes on my FB - she apparently supports hunting. I had to laugh (this is the lady who is veggie and apparently thinks one of the reasons to leave EU is that we will be 'kinder to animals when we are out of the EU' ) as of course Farage goes on any hunt he can.

I haven't asked who she is supporting but her son posts anti-abortion/anti-choice memes from the american evangelical sites (also a leaver and the memes seem to be targeted to these two 'emotional beliefs' - thanks Cambridge Analytica) so I can only assume Hunt at this point in time...