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Westminstenders: Tory Natural Selection

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RedToothBrush · 08/06/2019 13:09

Here we go again...

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BigChocFrenzy · 09/06/2019 21:04

Boris would not Revoke to save the country if it would mean his premiership being wrecked a year earlier

I don't think there is time before Halloween to build up enough anxiety in the Tory party about No Deal

mathanxiety · 09/06/2019 21:07

www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2016/03/11/the-day-police-told-parliament-to-end-the-war-on-drugs

Police chiefs and others opposed to 'the war on drugs'.

Annie Machon – Former Mi5 Officer tasked with investigating terrorist logistics

<span class="italic">"I first came to the knowledge that the war on drugs was an abject failure when I was working as an intelligence officer at Mi5 in the 1990s. One of my tasks was to investigate terrorist logistics and to do this I worked very closely with customs and excise, both the national investigations division and at ports. During that time I learned from them that even at that time they viewed the war on drugs as unwinnable. I learned about the massive overlap in funding between the illegal drugs trade and terrorist organisations, and this is global not just in Northern Ireland in the 1990s. We see this time and time again, in Afghanistan, in some of the Latin American countries where terrorist organisations are largely funded by drug money. We've seen most of West Africa descend into a kind of narco-state where armed militias compete for drug territory.</span>

<span class="italic">"On the one hand we have prohibition that pushes the war on drugs underground and creates huge conflicts globally. On the other hand we are fighting the war on terror which is largely funded by this war on drugs. So it strikes me as illogical unless it's a very clever circular business model that has been only too successful.</span>

<span class="italic">"We know this is going on because bank after bank has been fined record numbers for being caught money laundering. In 2009 the sheer scale of the corruption of our banking industry became clear. In 2009 a man named Antonio Maria Costa, then head of the UN Office for Drugs and Crime went on the record saying after the financial crash of 2008, but for drug money many large international banks would not have had any cash liquidity.</span>

<span class="italic">"By ensuring prohibition ends we would be able to end the biggest crime wave our world has ever seen. We would be able to protect millions if not billions of people around the planet who have been ravaged not just by the drug war, crimes and the vicious violence but also by terrorist groups funded largely by this trade who continue to maim and kill around the planet too."</span>

It's all tolerable because the violence and devastation don't encroach on comfortable suburban lives.

Doubletrouble99 · 09/06/2019 21:12

I don't trust Johnston as far as I can throw him. Peregrina is absolutely right he could change with the wind. He can talk a load of crap and thinks he is funny. Have all the Conservative voters forgotten what sort of things he has called people from other parts of the UK. As a Scot I certainly haven't.
I was in London during the Olympics and was in the Park where the non functioning zip wire was the day before the famous Boris photo of him stuck on it was taken. We all saw his minions setting the thing up to so that he would get stuck at a certain point. It was no accident, it was a total set up. Why, god only knows.

DGRossetti · 09/06/2019 21:26

Finally I've been able to locate that nagging sense of deja vu ...

Who remebers ....

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1369496/Drug-confessions-ambush-Widdecombe.html

(article in full)

telegraph.co.uk
Drug confessions ambush Widdecombe
By George Jones
5-6 minutes

MEMBERS of the shadow cabinet received an urgent bleeper message from James Arbuthnot, their Chief Whip, at the end of last week.

"Journos," he warned them, were surveying the Tory front-benchers on whether they had taken drugs. He advised them to answer truthfully. His aim was to save them from wrecking their political careers and embarrassing the party leadership by being trapped into lying about youthful indiscretions.

In doing so, he unwittingly delivered the biggest blow yet to the political credibility of Ann Widdecombe, the shadow home secretary and one of the party's most visible figures. Seven members of the shadow cabinet, including Francis Maude, disclosed that they had tried drugs with varying degrees of enthusiasm in their youth.

It was probably the biggest mass voluntary "outing" of past illegal behaviour by a group of senior politicians. The image of Tories as the party of law and order has undoubtedly taken a knock. So has Miss Widdecombe's "zero tolerance" policy on the possession of drugs.

According to a senior Tory yesterday, the disclosure that seven of the shadow cabinet had tried drugs would have come as "quite a shock" to Miss Widdecombe, who had led a "sheltered life". Had she been a student in the 1970s instead of the 1960s the party might not be in turmoil now over her proposals.

Her generation largely missed the drug culture. It only became commonplace among later intakes of students - as was demonstrated by this weekend's admission by her colleagues. She now faces a shadow cabinet revolt over her policy of introducing a £100 minimum fine for the first offence of possessing even a small amount of drugs. It is a proposal which many of her colleagues and fellow Tory MPs fear will alienate young voters as well as their parents.

Miss Widdecombe, however, is digging in her heels. She is furious that attention has focused on the policy of mandatory fines for cannabis users and not on what she regards as a serious attempt to tackle drug dealing and drug-related crime. The row has all the hallmarks of the "back to basics" furore which helped to destabilise John Major's government.

After Mr Major served notice at the 1993 Tory conference that his Government would champion family values and challenge the permissive society, a series of Tory MPs and ministers split from their wives or were shown to have mistresses. The latest row has revealed serious short- comings in Tory policy-making and presentation, as well as effectively torpedoing the central thrust of last week's party conference - that the Conservatives were now "ready for government".

Initially, party spin doctors believed that a "zero tolerance" policy on drugs would be a winner - sending out a tough law and order message, building on a series of "populist" initiatives.

Last Tuesday, on the eve of Miss Widdecombe's conference speech, The Telegraph and three other newspapers were briefed in advance that she was going to announce that a Tory government would no longer tolerate the possession of drugs. A briefing paper from the Conservative Research Department stated that the Tories planned to introduce a minimum punishment of a fixed penalty fine of at least £100 for the first offence of possession of illegal drugs.

"Those caught will receive a criminal record," the document stated. It pointed out that around 50,000 of those caught possessing drugs received only a police caution. In future they would not get away "scot free".

Conservative party officials later confirmed that even those caught possessing small amounts of soft drugs, such as cannabis, would receive the fine and criminal record, not a caution, even for a first offence. The Telegraph, realising the implications of the policy, splashed the report on the front page with the headline "Tory crackdown on cannabis" on the day of her speech. Immediately alarm bells started ringing among her colleagues - and many younger representatives at the conference.

Her message was at odds with the attempt by Michael Portillo, the shadow chancellor, to show that the Tory Party was "inclusive" and tolerant of those with alternative lives. Police and groups working with drug offenders also branded the plan unworkable. Miss Widdecombe was told by William Hague, who had initially approved the policy, that she had to "explain it better".

She stressed that the fine would be like a "speeding ticket", that it would not carry a criminal record, which could damage a young person's job prospects. Her colleagues, however, believe that their own admissions have shown her to be woefully out of touch with changing attitudes to soft drugs.

Mr Hague's inclination is to back her and ride out the storm, but a fierce debate is raging within the party on whether the policy can stand or should be watered down. The outcome is likely to have a major impact on British drugs policy - and the Tories' electoral prospects.

BigChocFrenzy · 09/06/2019 21:33

The wire episode was a stunt ? Shock

Why did Boris want to show the whole world he is an idiot ?
OK, maybe because he is a buffoon and thought it a jolly wheeze

Thos icononic pictures have been used around the world to mock Brexit Britain, so he did us no favour

BigChocFrenzy · 09/06/2019 21:43

!! Andrea Leadsom claims it was made 'very clear' - in the ref campaign - that people could lose their jobs in a no-deal Brexit !! ShockShock

But most Leavers didn't believe this and and still don't - and won't watch / believe Leadsom's statement !

https://www.indy100.com/article/andrea-leadsom-no-deal-brexit-job-losses-tory-leadership-video-8950416?fbclid=IwAR343mGjPivx_zPH5eCK2kUiAWZ9kAkZ-NZPsNn1v4Byn-6P3FRW9lzbJm0 [with video]

Brexiteer and Tory leadership candidate Andrea Leadsom has sensationally claimed in an interview with ITV
that the prospect of people losing their jobs because of Brexit was made 'very clear' during the 2016 referendum.
......
"All of that was made very, very clear.

Don't forget that the government put out a leaflet to all households,
saying that the NHS would have cuts,
that pensioners would have cuts,
that we would have half a million unemployed,

so you can't tell me that people weren't told. Shock

The democratic will of the people is to leave the European Union
and I would not under any circumstances advocate either trying to make people change their minds, have a second referendum or revoke that decision."

BigChocFrenzy · 09/06/2019 21:45

Leadsom has lost what mind she ever had !

Songsofexperience · 09/06/2019 21:54

I'm starting to think we are led by a bunch of sadists.

BigChocFrenzy · 09/06/2019 22:08

Jeremy Hunt’s views on abortion time limit branded ‘alarming’

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/09/jeremy-hunt-views-on-abortion-time-limit-branded-alarming

Ex-health secretary favours halving limit to 12 weeks
but says he would not change law if he was PM

BestIsWest · 09/06/2019 22:12

Pmk

Peregrina · 09/06/2019 22:16

Yes, people were told, and it was derided as Project Fear. I don't know how many Leavers we have had on these threads telling us that we were wrong, Project Fear didn't happen.

BigChocFrenzy · 09/06/2019 22:19

Shameful callousness by HO
Not letting foreign parents visit their child who is in a coma after attack AngryAngry

Local MP pushed Javid to intervene personally, so they could visit after 3 days

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jun/09/german-student-serious-condition-after-attack-kent

A 17-year-old German exchange student is in a serious condition in hospital after he was attacked by a group of teenagers,
leaving him with severe head injuries that required emergency surgery.

The victim, who is thought to be originally from Lebanon, was airlifted to a London hospital where he underwent specialist surgery.
He is understood to be in a coma.
....
The victim’s parents are settled in Germany but are not EU citizens.

When they approached British officials seeking an emergency visa to visit him after the attack,
they were told it would take up to five days to process.

SwedishEdith · 09/06/2019 22:23

I've started to follow Natalie Rowe on Twitter - could be interesting Grin

BigChocFrenzy · 09/06/2019 22:24

peregrina It looks like Leadsom is saying Leave voters should have believed Remainer warnings about No Deal

But Brexiters were claiming it was just Project Fear Confused
Or was she the exception claiming it was true, but I missed reading it at the time ? < no >

Peregrina · 09/06/2019 22:30

To be fair, Javid did grant the boy's mother a visa. What a disgrace that a group of teenagers can behave so despicably, but not surprising after the example set by adults.

Did Leasdom say anything apart from 'as a mother' and then be thoroughly nasty about Theresa May not having children?

BigChocFrenzy · 09/06/2019 23:27

The local MP was praised for her support, which included pressuring Javid over the visa for the parents

  • we don't know whether he would have intervened otherwise
Peregrina · 09/06/2019 23:45

I suspect he wouldn't have intervened.

BigChocFrenzy · 10/06/2019 07:23

So that (imaginary) £350 million is going on the better off, not the NHS .....
The Tory faithful and MPs will love it though

Steven Swinford@Steven_Swinford

Telegraph splash:

Boris Johnson plans to slash income tax for 3million people by hiking 40p rate threshold from £50,000 to £80,000

The move will cost estimated £9.6bn, funded from the £26bn 'fiscal headroom' currently set aside for no deal

< 'fiscal headroom' = borrowing or taking from elsewhere >

BigChocFrenzy · 10/06/2019 07:24

Steven Swinford@Steven_Swinford

Sajid Javid's stock is rising.

After winning Ruth Davidson's support, he's won backing of 3 Home Office ministers

  • Nokes, Atkins and Williams

A week ago people were saying he couldn't win the support of any of his HO colleagues

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 10/06/2019 07:30

I can't imagine there's a reason for Boris wanting to change the basic tax rate threshold up to £80,000. Sure it's nothing to do with this though of course:
The basic annual salary for an MP from 1 April 2019 is £79,468

CrocodileClips · 10/06/2019 07:33

The higher rate tax comes in at around 43.4k in Scotland, and is set by Holyrood. If BJ makes that change it would make a big difference to higher earners here especially if they're close to the 80k limit. I wonder if that could cause a shortage of people willing to work in those jobs here rather than in England, and further push money and higher paid jobs towards England/the SE.

Cherrypi · 10/06/2019 07:33

With the recent headlines it's almost like they don't want to win the leadership contest. Particularly Hunt.

1tisILeClerc · 10/06/2019 07:39

I wonder how many times that same £26 Billion will be 'spent' by the various PM candidates?

OhYouBadBadKitten · 10/06/2019 07:55

On r4 they spoke at length about the 40% threshold rise being funded from raising National Insurance. Literally taking money from the less well off to fund the better off.

I really need to listen to something else on Monday mornings. I hate starting the week angry.