Happy that the NHS is up for grabs?

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Genuine question: if you voted leave what do you think about the NHS being up for grabs as part of a US trade deal?
How did we go from 'lets divert the £350m from the EU to the NHS' (big fat lie as we all know) to opening it up to grabby US healthcare and pharmaceutical companies?
Surely nobody in their right mind can think this is a good thing?

I have friends in Ireland who have to pay to see their GP/visit A&E - would you prefer that instead?

That appears to be the system you want, Clavinova. How wonderful now that either UK or EU trained medical staff can utilise under capacity in private hospitals. You don't say what her op was either. Was it a relatively cheap and quick cataract operation done as a day patient as my late father's was, who was home by lunchtime. Or was it the £12K hip replacement that my brother went for - the same one that Andy Murray has just had, not available as yet on the NHS?

When the NHS has gone your DM will be stumping up the £12K or going without.

They can have my cheese, I want my complex son to be able to have diaphragm repairs and bow resections when he needs them, not after we've worked out if our health care insurance covers the operations in our preferred hospital or whether the 10 days we've spent in PICU already means we can't afford it.

It’s the Will of the people to have No deal and US trade deal.

So ultimately it’s the will of the people to privatise the NHS

Brexit means Brexit after all.................

What chance do little old UK have against this superpower?

Also what the fuck is a lot more than the NHS?

The queen?

What da fuk has cheese got to do with the NHS

Nothing to say about the NHS, but I’ll pop a mention in for cheese

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The C+P queen is desperate to show how the UK doesn't need the EU and that everything will be fine.
The fact that cheese exports have increased partly BECAUSE of the EU will have passed her by.

Want to cause riots anarchy and unrest then go ahead and try to touch our NHS which we pay N.I. for, try to do that and the people will not put up with it we've already had enough of the puerile pathetic government and bastard Brexit so going anywhere near the NHS will cause major unrest because we the people have had enough so hands off we will not put up with it.

Who knows, but I read yesterday that UK cheese exports to the US have increased from £10m in 2013 to £50m in 2018 (and UK cheese exports to China are up from £67k to £6.5m).

How can that brie the casein?

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

The NHS needs a trade deal with India more than it needs one with the US, to ensure cost-effective pharmaceutics.

Using private and claiming it is cheaper is disingenuous because you have stripped out A+E, home care and many other aspects that the NHS does

.....but i did say thats why its cheaper!
At the end of the day, i don't care where treatment is done, so long as its free, prompt and of good quality.... however, i'm in position to pay more tax and distribute monies differently, which is where we have gone wrong with our care systems.

So, approx 4 to 5 billion is required to provide an adequate and free adult social care system... we are told we haven't the money and accept this, whilst at the same time voting in a Govt that has or is cutting corporation tax by double that amount and keep voting them in, in fact the very people who are hit hardest by a lack of social care, keep voting for this state of affairs.

Banging on about Brexit/NHS and Trump is missing the point by a wide margin.

Currently private costs are comparable to what NHS costs. That is why UK private healthcare and dentistry is so much cheaper than India and the USA. The minute you remove the NHS all costs will rise and you will get situations where family healthcare ends up costing 50-75% of take home pay like it does in other countries.

Private hospitals are often underutilised, do not provide an emergency service and can do these ops for less than it costs the NHS, freeing space for emergency treatment.

Even without the argument about how the NHS subsidises private hospitals - which often call on the NHS when things go wrong - there is an issue with creating a profit incentive to treat people.

My mum had a hip replacement, done privately but NHS funded, and she thinks she was pushed into having surgery she didn't really need.

Are you suggesting that when I go to A&E at the local hospital I will be told "sorry, we've sold it to the Americans?"

You won't be told - like you are not told when something bearing the NHS logo is actually contracted out to say Virgin.

And you Leavers who want to 'take back control' are walking into it blindly.

Does anyone remember this little Vote Leave gem where a woman rocks up at A&E with a cough (as you would) and then the screen splits in two and we get treated to a utopian vision of the NHS 'outside the EU' and a negative version of the A&E dept in the EU. Outside the EU, there will be no queues, more nurses, shorter waiting times, a doctor to personally escort you to the treatment room, where they put a mask over your nose/mouth, give you an X-ray and you leave smiling and cured a few minutes later. And everyone gets a party bag with a unicorn in it when they leave.

It didn't mention the NHS being part of a trade deal, however. Funny that.

Are you suggesting that when I go to A&E at the local hospital I will be told "sorry, we've sold it to the Americans?"

Yeah. That's exactly what people are suggesting

Are you suggesting that when I go to A&E at the local hospital I will be told "sorry, we've sold it to the Americans?

No, you won't go to a local ED, you'll contact your insurance company who will advise you how to submit a claim.
If you've no insurance, then you'll call a premium rate number and be advised of the waiting times for the emergency dept that might be open in your area.....exactly as you do now for emergency dental treatment, assuming you ve no NHS dentist and can't afford private & no insurance.

Road accident and other emergencies will be treated, eventually and loans will be offered over 40 years with inflation plus 4% interest rates, just like how students pay for their education.

Its the future Copper and its one you've voted for.

Trump has said that Brexit and the Irish Border will work out just well.

The man has no clue and I'm beginning to think he has vascular dementia. I mean that seriously.

Opps wrong thread!

Are you suggesting that when I go to A&E at the local hospital I will be told "sorry, we've sold it to the Americans?"

Doubt it. More likely you’ll be asked to either hand over your insurance details and/or guarantee the cost of your treatment with a credit card.

Portia the people have already voted for exactly that.

Apparently May explained to DT afterwards what the NHS is. At moment when question was asked, he probably thought it was a brand of widget or a type of beer. He's clueless and doesn't realise that trade deals can cover services. Numpty.

DT can't help but sabotage trade deals with nearest neighbours, so no chance he'll oversee any sort of viable trade deal with UK.

Are you suggesting that when I go to A&E at the local hospital I will be told "sorry, we've sold it to the Americans?"

Is that a serious question?

My mum had a hip replacement, done privately but NHS funded, and she thinks she was pushed into having surgery she didn't really need.

Yes to this. I chose to be seen at our local private hospital in 2010 for my right knee which kept giving way. The MRI showed nothing that could really be said to be causing it, but the surgeon offered to do a 'clean up' arthroscopy anyway. I opted not to have the surgery and, actually, I've not had any significant knee problems in years. That would've been totally unnecessary surgery.

NoWord - my late DM had a similar experience with some gynae problems a few years back. She felt the surgery had been unecessary. Her hip replacement on the NHS was first class.