Westministenders: The Only Election That Matters - The Tory One

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Fallout from the Euro Elections makes for interesting reading for the leadership hopefuls.

Its not a clear cut as some make out. There is still a case for a deal. The trouble is passing it through parliament. And there is no time to do that. Nor no will.

Any new leader's priority isn't going to be a deal. Its going to be avoiding a General Election. And thats going to be hard.

We are also realistically facing the prospect of another extension which France is likely to block leading to no deal or no deal.

Or a 2nd Referendum.

A 2nd Referendum might be the only way to avoid a General Election. And that will still have no deal on the ballot. Of that you can be sure.

Peter Foster of the Telegraph remarked this morning that in fact the only way to a deal now, might well be via no deal, because of all the routes we have exhausted through incompetence. And that will come at a very high price.

Peregrina never under estimate a human beings need to feel ‘popular’ or part of a ‘pack’ BXP apparently needing to invent its own grassroots to enable this.

I was dreaming about Rory Stewart last night! A rags to riches story starting as a boy in the War. He a) has no rags to riches back story and b) he's younger than me and I wasn't born until after the war.

I need to get out more!

I think the Tory leader but one, when they wake up and come to their senses.

I'm back
Am about TiP - reminds me of the hyenas in The Lion King; trolls just breaking what they can't argue with rationally. Quite like electing BP MEP's to EU to take the circus of HoC to the adult table . Lots of if you are keeping up TiP.

Agree with pretzels that an assembly would be a bad thing. I can't imagine them having the facts on what a no deal would entail/being able to read it all and fully understand it and implications/not treat it as Project Fear and be able to come up with a workable solution. Screams of passing the buck as Tories/Labour hang back and try to get back to things they can spin for votes.

Peregrina Just watched back the Merthyr one is legit it was started by a local shopkeeper fed up with traffic wardens ticketing his customers and grew from that he just happens to support the BXP so was happy to share there stuff and they have tapped into the disenfranchisement.

The other one they looked at started as ‘Libertarians and Chartists for Trump’ Jan 2017 it became ‘Make Britain Great Again’ Feb 2017 then ‘South West England Free Tommy’ Aug 2018 March this year it became ‘The Brexit Party-Supporters March 2019. The group went from alt right to far right to Brexit Party. Brexit Party closed it down as it wasn’t official and no doubt with a history like that contained some pretty unsavoury messages in its earlier incarnations.

So in a nutshell Brexit Party are just using existing groups and rebranding as their own to give an impression of grassroots support grown by them it wasn’t they were there anyway.

Any suggestion of an 'assembly' is just another version of not deciding what to do.
The HoC are the elected representatives of the UK and it is their duty to be fully informed about anything that they vote for. With the critical situation about Brexit they should ALL have read the WA. Who is to say that on page 576 there isn't a line that says that on departure from the EU full control will be handed to the President of the USA?
While a bit far fetched as a comment, there is some logic to saying this in that it would be a brilliant 'fuck you' if you want to leave the EU.

Just where do you start with? Where? Actually, I do need to search back through the threads as they want some facts and figures refuted (including the fun £350 million one), but it's gone beyond that. They honestly don't care about the price of food going up or businesses collapsing.

I also despair with the just get on and Leave at any cost mindset. Many leavers acknowledge that we will be worse off but still want to push the self distruct button. The has only reason I am given is 'democracy'. Is it really democratic for an unelected PM to plunge the country into the chaos of a disorderly exit from the EU to keep the Tory party together

So how come as Home Secretary Javid can't find 20,000 police officers but as PM he (says) he can ?

reading that, the only new data I glean is that the current Home Secretary must be a bit shit.

Farage has moved the debate on from Brexit to a question of democracy. Doesn’t matter any more if Brexit is a good or bad idea. Disappointingly he has been allowed to do this by both the main parties. And he’s pretty much bypassed the msm using them for clips and sound bites with his own spin then putting this on social media where he is pretty much unregulated and where no one holds him to account.

Be interesting to see what the activity is like on any local Facebook pages in Peterborough and if any of those have been ‘rebranded’ with by Brexit Party (unofficially of course).

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Javid was always operating with at least one hand tied behind his back.

Everything he did to start to undo Home Office incompetence from Windrush to policing to Grenfell had the potential to be viewed us undermining TM. Also everything he needed to do cost money and PH, who holds the purse strings, is TM's cheerleader in chief.

Tim Montgomerie nails Rory Stewart's problem: by far the most popular candidate with people who will NEVER vote Conservative.

Javid was always operating with at least one hand tied behind his back.

I'm not a massive fan of using incompetence in one area to excuse incompetence in another when I'm being asked to "trust" both sides. It comes a little too close to rewarding incompetence overall.

Is this a national government or Fawlty Towers ?

Disappointingly he has been allowed to do this by both the main parties.

Not really. He's been allowed to do it by a media that profits from it.

Unseen, but even more potent are the woes Facebook (et al) aren't talking about, where the obviously impossibility of continuing their growth (seems a lot of economists skipped the concept of "infinity" when they were snorting coke) is starting to poison the well of investment. Quite aside from unwelcome regulatory investigations, they need a way to keep the punters hooked. So dodgy fake news and frothing political activism is an essential part of their business plan.

It's amazing how many companies will spunk a fortune on advertising on the internet, and then only respond to phone calls.

I was watching Jo Swinson on Newsnight last night. They probably want their Leadership contest completely under the radar or risk losing their newfound popularity.

The candidate pool is very small and not very diverse. Also not clear to me that Jo would hold onto her seat if there were a GE. In fact of the 4 Scottish seat LibDem MPs probably only Carmichael is safe and his reputation is somewhat tarnished. You then have to also discount Tim and Norman and Vince.

That only leaves Tom Brake, Vera Hobhouse, Ed Daivey and Layla Moran.

{Farage has moved the debate on from Brexit to a question of democracy.}
With the irony that if the UK was not democratic 'the boys in dark glasses' would have Farage in a concrete supporting role under HS2.

To add more drama to the leadership race, is Jo Johnson running? Why not?

Jo Johnson has declared support for his brother.

{Jo Johnson running? Why not?}
He has a brain and can spot a pile of shit from a mile away?

Tis I know it isn’t lost on me that because we are democratic so everyone wants a say that is part of the problem with delivering Brexit !

Tory candidates filled the phone box, then filled the minibus,
now moving into the Brexit bus still with £350 million per week on the side

Jo Johnson has declared support for his brother

Really? I am totally misremembering? I thought Jo Johnson quit a ministerial post as he wanted another referendum. I’m probably misremembering.

I thought Jo Johnson quit a ministerial post as he wanted another referendum. I’m probably misremembering

He was one of 36 ....

How can JJ back bojo!?

What has bojo told him in private that we don't know??

Revoke??

So if Jo Johnson is supporting Boris Johnson - What’s Boris’s stance on a second ref?

Actually where is Boris?

Oops x post with buffy

{Actually where is Boris?}
Where's Wally?