I'm not afraid to admit I'm terrified

[StealthPolarBear]

I really am. It feels like we're hurtling towards no deal Brexit with a coward and idiot at the helm who couldnt organise a booze up in a brewery.
What are we heading for? Huge economic crash? War?

I’m petrified.
I don’t think there’ll be a civil unrest though because we’ll avoid it by not having a second referendum (which Remain would win narrowly) and leaving.
So at least of generation of austerity because the ignorant masses went for an inchoate soundbite. 😡

Part of the concept of a united Europe was formed by Churchill.

Might I recommend you read the content of his United States of Europe speech, beyond the headline? Churchill was rather unambiguous in his vision of a united Europe with the UK (and other nations) supporting the project from the outside.

I am with you on some of what you’ve said.

With brexit we would simply have to rely on our own politicians. I don’t think I trust them to make a valid decision that would benefit the UK- too many of them are career politicians.
Plus depending on who leads us, they may lead us straight into the arms of Trump. American laws and regulations on food, health, banking and the environment are shocking.

I want to apologise to my children now for the state of the world we are to leave them with.

I'm just disappointed at the thought of a No Deal Brexit. Any thing else, I can tolerate even if it's not what I wanted. I wanted Remain before you wonder. But I'm a general prepper so it takes a lot to terrify me.

Those of you who haven't laughed till you cried but have told me you think civil unrest is unlikely are reassuring thank you. That said the poster who raised Ireland had a very good point and one I tend to forget about. I shouldn't.

{Part of the concept of a united Europe was formed by Churchill.}

Those who propose an idea are not always the ones who pick it up and run with it.
It is the UK's loss by being 'eurosceptic' and in some respect outsiders.

StealthPolarBear
There was a 'scrap' outside a buildabear place last year(?)
When the increased tariffs on food and imported good hit, and employment falls rapidly it will take a lot of effort to keep things 'reasonable'.

I have been in France recently and it doesnt exactly feel stable. It felt very much like a country on the edge

I am in France and I can confirm this is utter bollocks. France is much the same as it always has been. Yellow jacket parties got crushed in the election and Le Pen lost vote share.

Good point, I'd forgotten about the build a bear disaster!

{Good point, I'd forgotten about the build a bear disaster!}

Consider the disquiet if/when various foods fail to arrive at supermarkets on time or far more frightening, medical supplies are late.
The EU has no intention of causing this to happen deliberately but a 'wrong document' or any other 'hitch' can easily cause this to happen by accident.

19/22 areas in Wales voted for the Brexit party! I am stunned!

@tinytemper66 I'm Welsh and fucking embarrassed by the whole thing. Where the fuck these people think the vast majority of Welsh funding comes from is beyond me.

I know. Drive around anywhere in Walrs and you see the blue signs saying that the particular infrastructure was created by EU investment! 🙈🤷🏻‍♀️

Maybe the Welsh can’t be bought.

Maybe the Welsh can’t be bought.

@Antigonads Funding in nature parks, FE colleges, leisure centres etc isn't bribery. It's community investment and it's what the EU has paid for in Wales. It's developing infrastructure in areas decimated by the loss of heavy industry. Sadly, the EU has been used as a scapegoat for so many years now by UK politicians people genuinely believe the rhetoric.

There is a great website which shows what monies have been provided to various projects in your area. I am sorry I don't have it's web address but you can click on your town and all the projects that have been funded nearby appear. From £500 for a small company start up maybe by schoolkids to millions for university research projects and urban regeneration.
It is the EU 'encouraging' the UK government to invest in local projects. The money is I believe what the UK SHOULD pay into the EU but it appears as a 'rebate'. These will of course be lost and it will be a struggle to get such funding by contacting Westminster directly.

So project fear is back to warmongering. I thought remainers stopped that when Cameron left?

But if its to be war then I would rather have America on our side than the EU, have they even built their army yet?

Clearly all that spending hasn’t influenced the Welsh in their voting.

I’d like to think that in the event of leaving the EU we will have the same (and more) money to spend on projects but at the discretion of local and national organisations. I realise that is an unpopular view.

Walkingdeadfangirl
If it comes to 'war' it is most likely to be a 'civil war' in the UK so the EU and USA would simply watch as the UK is, as you know, sovereign and it would be an internal issue.
Of course you could have the likes of Gavin suggesting he sends a battleship to the South China sea to threaten the Chinese. Fortunately his nanny told him to stop being silly but it put a dampener on Hammond's trade mission.

Being 'gung ho' and 'plucky' is all very well but you need to remember that the UK is now just a small island (with a few other bits).

Antigonads
It would be great if Westminster would properly fund all the regions properly, but their track record is not good. There are cases of Westminster retaining money that was 'from the EU' for some projects in Wales.

Do you know what war mongering means?

I agree. As a country we have no good options, all our own fault, our children will never forgive us for this mess we've created.

Modern warfare is via 'cyber attacks' attempting to disrupt financial dealings, and whatever else can be broken into.
Maybe spreading lies over social media perhaps, persuading people to vote for stupid ideas.

The last person who said this thread was war mongering hasn't been back I don't think. Strange that.