I'm not afraid to admit I'm terrified

[StealthPolarBear]

I really am. It feels like we're hurtling towards no deal Brexit with a coward and idiot at the helm who couldnt organise a booze up in a brewery.
What are we heading for? Huge economic crash? War?

While not specifically Brexit related, war is getting more likely simply because there are too many humans alive for the resources the planet can sustain. There will be wars about water, for example in the Middle East but there are tensions over water supplies all over the world.
I had not mentioned NI, but yes as a 'civil war' it quietened down for the last 20 years, but it has not gone away. It would not take much 'careless handling' by Westminster to fan the embers and bring elements of it into England. I think the Scottish would bot be a specific risk from this source, and I doubt Wales too as they both have a common 'grudge' with the way they are treated by Westminster.

Is it better in Scotland?
I don’t think my qualification is valid there so I don’t think I can move.

I don’t know anyone here who voted Brexit party but they certainly did. That’s because I’m not friends with anyone who would vote for Farage.

The ‘just get on with it’ lot can do one as well. They clearly don’t understand even a fraction of the problem, and I don’t claim to understand all of it.

It would not take much 'careless handling' by Westminster to fan the embers and bring elements of it into England.

Yes... But even if it stays in NI, it still MATTERS. It's not ok that Brexit is putting peace at risk.

And yes. The lack of mention of NI is shocking too.
I will confess that the problem it would cause if we voted leave never even occurred to me during the referendum.
I think even if it had been used in the remain campaign very few people in England would have cared.

We’re doomed, aren’t we? . My poor kids

So what has Farage said about Northern Ireland?

{So what has Farage said} about anything of real substance?

{Yes... But even if it stays in NI, it still MATTERS. It's not ok that Brexit is putting peace at risk.}
I am agreeing with you completely.

FWIW OP I’m terrified too.
🤔 and we’re educated people so I don’t think mockery or insinuation that we’re ‘being dramatic’ is fair.

Honestly I think the educated people are the concerned ones, whilst those saying ‘it’ll be fine- calm down’ are likely more concerned about Love island being cancelled than the economy crashing.

I’m most concerned over the sheer volume of our professions currently fleeing the country! DP bless him is having a nightmare of it, the NHS are feeling significant effects. Running out of stock left right and centre and Dr’s are packing up for a better like abroad (getting paid twice as much and treated considerably better).

I work for a huge multi nat in a team of VERY intelligent people who have spent the last two years profiling and considering all sorts of Brexit scenarios ...and it’s not looking good!

And yet so many people voted for his party, when it has no policies and no idea how Brexit will work. Why?

But there you go again dismissing leave voters as less intelligent. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't, but their concerns are equally as valid.

I think people have had enough and just want the government to sort it out one way or another.

Btw, just watched Farage's victory speech and he said that if we don't leave on 31st October, then he's ready and prepared to win an General Election.
Not sure I can take much more of this dithering and doddering.

I suspect, Britain will chase its tail until the EU finally fucks us out. Because they can't agree on anything.

You'd want to see the shit my MP is coming out with on FB (Tory).
2 days ago - a rant about how shit TM is
1 day ago - a rant that people should support the new leader.

Make up your mind you prick. You honestly couldn't make it up.

I'm massively worried and scared too for all the reasons you say, Stealth. But then, I'm willing to admit that I worry about everything anyway...this whole thing just isn't helping. My DH is adamant that what @Gronky said earlier is correct e.g. that if there IS god forbid a No Deal, it will only be a temporary thing...posturing, really, to see who blinks first because either we or the EU will and Article 50 will be revoked or adjusted but the No Deal is the only ammo there is to make that happen if nobody will compromise. But he's not scared because he's so certain of the tempieariness - weeks at most - of that state. And I do trust my DH, he's a knowledgeable type in terms of politics and economics. So I am trying to keep breathing and not panic. It's very very hard.

I'm worried about the political situation in this Country. I really think it is time to have a general election. I'm ready to hear some realistic manifestos to enable me to make an informed choice with my vote. I look at all of the parties at the moment and I think ''how are any of these people going to lead our Country?'' I'm worried, but I'm not at the ''terrified'' point yet.

OP- on reflection, if you view the Brexit party as a rebadged UKIP, they haven't really made that many gains over 2014.

The UKIP + Brexit Party vote share is less than the Lib Dem + PC + SNP + Green + Change UK. So the 2 final options, no deal vs no Brexit, no Brexit got more votes.

There is no mandate off the back of this to force through a no deal Brexit, and hopefully the sane Tories have realised that the 30/35% of those who want the UKIP no deal right wing party are stable and can be written off, as no major party can win them over, but also, the people who make or break general elections aren't flooding to them.

I think it's more likely Labour will push towards remain/2nd ref. It's the only way to save their party now.

I think the problem is you don’t tend to hear reasoned arguments for leaving, just dubious, racist ones. I am sure many people had reasoned arguments for voting Leave but I am yet to hear them.

A close relative voted Leave, reasonably intelligent person but her reasons for voting bordered on racist and her solution to NI is bomb it So when it came to Brexit her intelligence seemed to disappear and I am sure she is not the only one.

That all said - after running back down my Brexit stockpile after the no deal deadline passed, I've decided after the half term, to go back to adding a few extra things to the weekly food shop and topping the freezer/cupboards back up.

If Boris becomes the PM, I'm afraid it wont end well at all.

I personally, probably like a lot of others haven’t a clue what the hell is going on.

What seemed a simple remit has been made a dogs dinner of.

As far as I can see wasn’t it just TM saying I have a deal what do you think of it.

Answer No

Then a Mrs Doyle scenario of
Oh go on, oh go on... just presenting the same thing over and over getting the same answer.

I think there has been problems for far longer than Brexit reared it’s head.

Probably started when the Labour government got rid of the cap on EU nationals coming into the UK.

The referendum was just showing the dissatisfaction of what was happening.

I think people voted Brexit because whether they voted Remain or Leave whatever the future holds they have to start somewhere and just want to get to the day we start.

What I don’t understand is that at one point wasn’t there a vote to have a second referendum and the MPs said No.

I voted Remain for purely selfish reasons. It suited me that I could go to any European country and set a business up.

If the EU had stayed in its original form and grew very very slowly then I think we would have been looking at a very different outlook. At the moment it resembles more a giant Ponzi scheme.

For a lot of these countries in the EU joining and being shackled to the euro has not been the land of milk and honey they thought it would have been.

Am I worried of what will happen, only a fool would say no.

There is a great change coming.

Having said that I don’t think a lot of the EU countries are exactly stable.

I think it was Stealth who said her NDN had returned to France. Isn’t that jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire.

Change My World I'm not a worrier. I'm usually very optimistic and happy things will work out for the best. This has beaten me.

They were French :)

StealthPolarBear

Yes I was aware of that. They could have gone to a much more stable country.

I have been in France recently and it doesnt exactly feel stable. It felt very much like a country on the edge

I’ve read this with my jaw open.

Vile responses.

Do any of you have a fucking clue what this is doing to Northern Ireland?

It doesn’t count if it’s not on the mainland, huh?

Well, rest assured Stealth, that you’re not the one who should be mocked here. The people laughing at you should be because they’re either arrogant or thick as shit and I can’t decide which one is worse.

War is going to happen. It’s on the brink right now.

For fuck sake. You people were allowed to vote! It boils my blood.

IvanaPee

Oh, and for the extra hard of thinking: nobody thinks the EU and it’s member states are perfect and without fault. 🙄🙄🙄

{If the EU had stayed in its original form and grew very very slowly then I think we would have been looking at a very different outlook. At the moment it resembles more a giant Ponzi scheme.}

Part of the concept of a united Europe was formed by Churchill.
The UK has been instrumental in proposing and bringing to fruition much of the EU legislation.
The UK was at the front of proposing further expansion East.
The UK, having concentrated a lot of financial services in London was the leader, which as an EU member put it in a strong position.
Walking out on the EU kills all that dead.
The world has changed dramatically in the last 30-40 years and the UK is not the 'big cheese' and only held it's position by standing on the shoulders of the UK.