Westminstenders: Has Boris been outmanoeuvred? Reprise

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In the beginning there was this thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/2670552-Has-Boris-been-outmanoeuvred?pg=1

And it said:
If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.

Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.

With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.

And

If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.

The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.

So what of where we stand and the poison chalice of the Tory Leadership and a deal.

According to a poll of Tory Members, Johnson is by far their runaway favourite to become next leader. And he's given a 61% competence score - higher than any other candidate.

With Raab as their second favourite.

May has successfully managed to make such a mess of how she handled the 2016 Tory Party Conference and everything that subsequently stemmed from that, that the poison chalice of leadership will be passed and sooner than many would have wanted.

However blame for what follows can be laid at her feet. At the Labour Party’s feet for ending talks that were never going anyway. At the EU. And No Deal has been detoxified by May's handling amongst many supporters of Brexit. Johnson and Raab will therefore have no interest in striking a deal with the EU and instead set sail for exit on 31st Oct and will brazen it out.

What is scary is that waiting in the wings is Farage, who without winning a single seat in the HoC has more power than any MP. They are all so afraid of him. Thus we face a very hard push to the right, with the left and centre in disarray and disorganisation.

The Human Rights Act and Devolution settlements will be top of the list to go.

And we will face draconian ways to control the population as the lazy fools will want no accountability to the press or the courts.

How long before appointed or elected judges?

Was Boris outmanoeuvred?

By the look of it, absolutely not. He just had to wait a few years. But his path and power will not be lead by him... But by those who pull his strings.

It looks bleak. Very bleak.

Many may rue the day they didn't vote for May's deal yet...

... And fear of this nightmare vision of the future is the only card May has left in her hand to play. Will anyone realise this?

Probably not, because they will all still think Johnson's leadership bid will be blocked by moderates. The trouble is he's polling well and the cowards are too busy looking over their shoulders at the turquoise arrows.

Pray for a shock result next week which brings fewer Brexit Party seats than are anticipated. The trouble is they have the momentum right now and Remainers don't know their arses from their elbows much less be passion and inspiring to the young and to women.

We are fucked.

I would imagine you'd have to eat quite a lot of ant larvae 🐜 and a fair few crickets 🦗 too!

What a never ending nightmare.

Called in on df and had a long chat with him about the advantages of Molly Scott Cato.

Sorry, I seem to have derailed the thread a bit with my talk of pet eating.
On a serious note, I was thinking today about how this whole thing has been a disaster because there is still a huge amount of British exceptionalism out there.
Somebody posted a link way back at the start of the negotiations when TM et al were basically threatening the EU with being ‘crushed’ if they didn’t give into our demands.
All this bluster about us holding all the cards and trade deals being done in an afternoon.
It just smacks of ‘Don’t you know who we are?’
It’s been a very hard way to learn that we aren’t that special and can’t just click our fingers and people will do what we want.
There has been lots of talk of the EU bullying us but the fact is that they haven’t changed their stance since day one.
We just look like a bunch of toddlers having a tantrum because Mummy won’t buy us any sweets. It’s fucking embarrassing

I’m not entirely disheartened by those welsh voting figures. BP + UKIP = 38. PC+ LD+ Green +CHUK = 39.

tobee My moggie is not remotely scary - he’s a pussy cat (see what I did there?)

PCPlumsTruncheon
The UK still has the image of commanding an empire in it's head, from say 120 years ago, with power over people and mineral resources.
So much has been sold off that the average UK person is poorer off than a Ghanaen (value of natural resources by head of population).

People also took to eating their pets (or other people's pets) in the Netherlands during the last war. At a time when the south of the country had already been liberated.

Yep, my dad was in the North. He ended up with rickets during the last winter of Nazi occupation (also known as 'De Hongerwinter', I think you can all work that one out)

DD1 and I have had no polling cards despite having got our forms in well on time. Worried.

Actual prepper here. No need to consider (ahem) unusual sources of protein. Do a bit of careful prepping if you haven't already and job's a good 'un.

Borrowed from the Guardian:
A summary of the exciting new things Theresa waffled about.
I just like the implied expression behind this entry.

{10. Changes to political declaration

What is it? A “legal duty” to secure the necessary changes to the political declaration added to the deal with the EU to reflect the changes.

Who will like it? This also seems like a completely obvious thing to do, raising the possibility it was mainly added to the list to round it up to 10.}

I think probably a lot of countries who've had an empire struggle when it's gone. I don't think this unique to us.

I think Germany is one of the countries which has strength these days partly because it's only a relatively young country and has 3 times in the last century had to recover from major trauma.

I actually watched TM’s whole speech today. I normally never do this, but was sat at a garage waiting for a tyre change & Sky news was on.
I am probably in the minority here, but I thought it was remarkably cogent & well-delivered, given that she has been nothing but shat on from a great height for the last 3 years.
I have not followed the permutations of the WA, so I cannot comment on the wonderfullness or otherwise of the new offer. I just feel like the HoC should be locked in a room en mass and fight it out til an agreement is reached.
Don’t they get that agreeing a WA would MASSIVELY undercut that fuckwad Nigel Farage?
I despair.....

I honestly think that TM has brought many of her troubles on herself.
She tacked immediately to the right on becoming PM.
She made no effort to gain losers consent, despite the narrow margin of victory and her ambivalence about what the best outcome of the referendum would be.
She made no effort to work in a cross party way until it was far too late and even then she made almost no concessions.
She made little effort even to work with her own party.
She signed herself up for a very difficult job but she made it even harder with the way she set about doing it.

bellini I have simply maintained my prep stocks, rotating stock by using up old stuff first. If it comes to it, I'll be ready. Freezer and fridge are being kept tidy/defrosted so there isn't tons of caked on ice taking up space.

Don’t they get that agreeing a WA would MASSIVELY undercut that fuckwad Nigel Farage?

imho, 'fraid not, supporters of brexit have moved on from leaving the EU with a deal (2016) to leaving with no-deal (2019)

I feel like with Theresa's many speeches in Brexit she throws up in the air all of the different things she could say and and then picks up the first few things and says that each time.

Reindeer? No thanks, had that in Norway. Once was enough.

Farage - nothing will undercut him, he's become a cult figure.

{imho, 'fraid not, supporters of brexit have moved on from leaving the EU with a deal (2016) to leaving with no-deal (2019)}

But even with a 'no deal' the WA HAS to be signed before the EU will enter negotiations, so unless the UK really does replace ALL EU trade with trade from elsewhere the WA will be sitting on the table waiting.

Good to Mogg STILL saying 'It's OK to just use WTO rules. Yet another ',if the lips move they are lying' moment.

Just catching up reading about pet eating while the post total was 666 ... I quickly refreshed.

Missed TM...did she really say it's a good time to be alive? can she fuck off? Like very far away and take the shiteters with her?

MP's falling over themselves on twitter now to say they're not voting for the WAB now, what a bloody disaster, BJ declared he's a no.

We're doomed, bloody doomed!

How many of them have started to believe the lies they're telling then? Why would some of our politicians decide that lying to us is the best policy? It's infuriating and sickening in equal measure.

Don't forget that Boris Johnson's no 1 aim is to see himself in No 10. If revoking was going to deliver that for him, he would do it in a shot.

I absolutely agree @Peregrina

My MIL has been given a terminal diagnosis. I want to slap TM in the face for saying “It’s a good time to be alive.”

Vanilla 💐