Leavers rejoice

[Coppersulphate]

The Brexit Party are doing really well in the polls. I just hope they do as well in the election.
I think their slogan should be "Tell them again".
I would like to see a clean sweep of Brexiteers but I know that is not going to happen.
I have sent off my postal vote.

@CrunchyCarrot - Yes I agree LeClerc but as you say, the UK MUST lead the way here. This really is one of those occasions when everyone must do whatever they can, no matter how small, to make a difference.

The big problem here is funding. I can't see the UK government replacing the massive levels of funding for research available from the EU.

CrunchyCarrot
Unfortunately history shows that UK government (for many decades) is not prepared to be radical and take SENSIBLE bold decisions.

Post WW2 the UK put sticking plasters on the infrastructure that was damaged (railways especially) and wasted opportunity to create a 'modern' system relevant to the times. Most countries in Europe had their infrastructure pulverised so HAD to build afresh so while the UK used it's Marshal plan (?) money to try to retain the 'colonies' Europe made a leap forward.
With globalised trading countries have to work out what is most efficient for their activities. Some do well with agriculture, and some at raw material 'extraction' and use. The UK is now in a 'middle ground' where it does not have a lot of natural resources to 'power the world' so has to find a different way to survive. Getting out of the 'global game' is crazy. Trying to 'muscle in' to a world that is largely defined by it's natural resources from a place of weakness won't work well.
The UK 'celebrated' a week of NOT using coal for electricity production last week. Great. China is bringing new coal power stations online every couple of months or so. Is the UK going to tell them to stop?
Meanwhile the UK is abandoning the take up of solar PV generation, or at least not providing an economic environment to encourage it. It needs heavy investment to get solar installed but the UK gov is not prepared to keep the impetus going.

Q and A with Farage at Featherstone Working Mens Club

www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nigel-farage/nigel-farage-online-q-and-a-watch-liv-pontefract/

{The big problem here is funding. I can't see the UK government replacing the massive levels of funding for research available from the EU.}
It's not just funding, it is also FoM and the ease that people can move around. Universities attract good researchers and British work well with other Europeans and ideas grow. Silicon Valley in the USA has a concentration of brilliant people doing similar work. The area around Cambridge in the UK had a high number of computer companies, as offshoots from the universities. Leaving the EU either kills that off, or at least dampens it down as the great minds that make this innovation happen will move to places where it is 'easier'.

I'm sorry, but this university doom and gloom is just the academic branch of Project Fear.

And talking of Project Fear, the Office of National Statistics head of UK trade is now standing for the Brexit Party in Wales.

www.civilserviceworld.com/articles/news/ons-civil-servant-quits-job-become-brexit-party-mep-candidate

And the UK jobless rates has fallen again and wages continue to rise.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48264511

"The Brain Drain" was quite a thing awhile back, brains are what we Brits can export but we need some here as well, to continue on with innovative research. As LeClerc says, we don't have a huge amount of natural resources. It really is a terrible shame the shadow of an impending Brexit is already hurting us.

Ah that old project fear allegation, that every Brexit gobshite politician has had to row back from once the cold facts of Brexit was becoming very clear - the loss of sovereignty, the beholden position to larger traders, the inability to conclude deals, what WTO 'rules' actually means, the loss of the NHS, the loss of manufacturing and car industries, the threat to supply of life-preserving medication, the loss of EU workers in the UK. Need we go on FFS?

Yes Sycamorish - any recorded 'improvement' in the economy as we are still in the EU will, by recognition of any and every economist incl Brexit-sponsored ones, will be blown away.

Are brexiters that dense?

Yes, they are that dense.

{I'm sorry, but this university doom and gloom is just the academic branch of Project Fear.}
You obviously struggle with thinking things through.
With the brightest and best with good pay being involved with universities, why would they want to live in the UK where they are not appreciated and freedoms are being taken away, when they can live in Europe and not be restricted?
Of course the UK is not likely to collapse completely, but if you have a choice of living in a forward and outward looking community, why would you want to head for the UK?
The UK University system is losing the plot in becoming a 'business' of taking money from students for profit. Like the EU project, it is only partly about money, but more significantly it is about 'hothousing' the brightest and best that humanity can produce. The UK (government and university boards) want to turn universities into 'sausage factories' for immediate profit.

Here is a useful thread for all those idiots peddling the "WTO rules" mantra...

ChavvyOldBrexiteer
I agree with you OP. I usually vote Green but am fully behind the Brexit Party.
Me too.

I think this is fascinating. We know that the Green party, most environmentalists, scientist and academics are very strongly against Brexit, not least on environmental grounds.
Can you explain how you think Brexit will benefit the environment when most people feel the exact opposite?

We're still in the EU.
We haven't crashed out.
Pro EU parties look set to beat the purple type ones here in britain and across the EU 27.

The sun is out.

We're sanguine rather than your imperative OP .

I think this is fascinating. We know that the Green party, most environmentalists, scientist and academics are very strongly against Brexit, not least on environmental grounds.
Can you explain how you think Brexit will benefit the environment when most people feel the exact opposite?

An old article from Jenny Jones (Green in House of Lords).
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/08/eu-reform-green-brexit

The EU is an outsized behemoth beyond reform – the Green case for Brexit
Jenny Jones

Yes Sycamorish - any recorded 'improvement' in the economy as we are still in the EU will, by recognition of any and every economist incl Brexit-sponsored ones, will be blown away.

If that is true, MrPan, how do you explain James Wells?

The ONS (Office of National Statistics) head of UK trade is now standing for the Brexit Party in Wales.

www.civilserviceworld.com/articles/news/ons-civil-servant-quits-job-become-brexit-party-mep-candidate

Thank you for the link, really appreciate it.

I note that its from 2016: - then it is worth having mainly because of some of its labour regulations and environmental regulations. But those are exactly what rightwingers such as Cameron and George Osborne have in their sights

Now that we know that Brexit rightwingers: Farage, Banks, JRM, etc, etc, do indeed have those labour regulations and environmental regulations in their sights, I would imagine Jenny Jones position might have shifted somewhat. I will have a look.

Yeah, she's certainly tweeting a great deal of remain stuff now. And she is certainly very anti-the brexit party.

Yes, that great environmentalist Nigel Farage...

{The EU is an outsized behemoth beyond reform}

OK, it probably is.
Now what?
The USA, Russia, China and the Pacific grouping are also 'behemoths'.
So you are deluded to think that a small country, the UK is going to 'break free' and take control and change the others? As a PART of the EU it has /had a seat at the top table of discussions and had a chance of influence. Of course sending wastrels like Farage hardly helps the UK cause. The British Empire is LONG gone. Leavers need to understand this and realise that the UK is not 'top dog' any more.
The choices are to become a 51st 'state' of the USA, a strange outpost of China or Russia that will have next to no influence, or remain in the EU.

Jenny Jones clearly doesn't believe a 'green case for brexit' anymore. Her twitter timeline is anti-Brexit and anti-Farage.

Perhaps the Brexiters/Faragists will develop a time machine, and the country will to back to when it was just developing its Empire. More likely they will run into the arms of the USA - which is what Farage did as soon as Trump got elected.

To actually achieve 'green' credentials you have to produce 'goods' that are both 'as minimal damage' as possible, but also manufactured in the least damaging way. Both of these require very serious investments in machinery and technology and examine whether manufacture in any given place is actually the 'best'.
Traditionally steelworks were located where both iron ore and coal were present. A similar assessment needs making for any 'new' activity. It may well be that the UK is not the 'greenest' place to be doing certain activities. Glass making, you need the right sort of sand, and a huge amount of heat, for which I believe gas is the most easily usable form.

If the UK had taken a different approach in the USA (and elsewhere) the USA could possibly have been 'British' by negotiation rather than conflict.

Saint Nigel of Fartage boasting about how much money he gets for doing eff all...

Turquoise Turkeys candidate in talking through his arse shocker...

From the Saint Nigel piece:
{Farage defended paying his German wife, claiming she had a "modest salary" for "being available seven days a week", and that no-one else would want the role.}

That quote is so easy to misunderstand!
How many on here would like to be thought of as 'available seven days a week'?