Leavers rejoice

[Coppersulphate]

The Brexit Party are doing really well in the polls. I just hope they do as well in the election.
I think their slogan should be "Tell them again".
I would like to see a clean sweep of Brexiteers but I know that is not going to happen.
I have sent off my postal vote.

There is no 'policy' on the NHS - but we DO know that Farage is in favour of privatising it. That's pretty well know. Not a policy obvs because that means detail and stuff....you know the stuff he doesn't like as it makes him accountable for his shite.

even those with Leave voting constituencies, are trying to stop it.

And Leave MPs in Remain constituencies,like Rees-Mogg, are perfectly happy to ignore their constituents. Of course it can be argued that Rees-Mogg's behaviour of not supporting his PM is helping to thwart Brexit, because she's negotiating the wrong kind of Brexit. Well, up to him and his pals to put their names forward for PM.

Putting brexit ahead of all the national issues that do matter and should rightly take priority (such as public services: health, education, police etc) is simply indoctrination.
Brexit is not real; it's a smokescreen hiding the real issues. It won't bring the hope leavers look for, just another bloody annoying set of problems to deal with for the next decades.

There is no 'policy' on the NHS - but we DO know that Farage is in favour of privatising it.

Yep- he's on the side of big US pharma. Like a true patriot.

You missed a trick then back in 2017, when you could have elected a whole slate of Leave MPs. Why didn't you?

Peregrina Both the Tory and Labour manifestos included honouring the referendum result. This is why many people are so angry, with the Tories particularly. Voting for Brexit Party MEPs is the result of the Tories/Labour MPs failing to honour their manifesto pledges.

But Pan - Farage has no interest in anything else in politics, he only came out of retirement to do this Brexit Party thing.

Do you really think that everyone who voted to leave in the referendum and/or will vote for the Brexit Party also wants to "privatise" the NHS?

Unfortunately, even if you don't really think that, plenty of others who want to stay in the EU do believe that - myths and fairy tales - for no other reason other than thinking that wanting to remain in the EU = Righteous Rightness, Pure and Good, We Are The Nice People, Nasty Leave People.

@Coppersulphate , do you seriously want to play legal semantics over the question of the border. The expectation is no physical infrastructure AT ALL. Do you know anything about NI to think shit like that can be messed with.

WTO rules require you to have control over your economic area. If that can be done remotely without infrastructure, fine. But it can't at the moment. Maybe it could've in the transition period after WA and no one would need the backstop. But no, that was the wrong kind of unicorn and LEAVE MPs wouldn't pass it. They stopped Brexit.

I've heard other naive posters saying "show me intve GFA where we need to avoid a hard border ". Is this your new schtick? Because it's pathetic.

HateIsNotGood
Most of the basic ones yes but there are some aspects that will not be followed through, although I forget details now.

Policy = Brexit = job losses, for example : Honda.

Just to point out that the Conservatives increased their majority in Swindon in the recent council elections - gaining an extra seat.

Cobblersandhogwash
Could it be Farage in the photo?

Your photo appears in the Guardian - but there is no suggestion that the young man is Nigel Farage - the caption says supporters and the photo was taken outside the Crown Court in 1979 - NF would only have been about 14/15 at the time.

Are we toddlers throwing a tantrum because we're not getting what we were promised, even if that promise was a poison chalice? Or are we responsible ups capable of reason?
Brexit is unfortunately not straightforward and already quite damaging, therefore let's have a proper debate about what it is we want rather than throw our toys out of the pram because 'they' promised.

Both the Tory and Labour manifestos included honouring the referendum result.

Neither party won because sufficient numbers of the public didn't buy either vision of Brexit. Effectively, both manifestos bit the dust, because neither party was successful in their sales pitch, which is what the Manifesto is.

However, individual candidates/MPs were at perfect liberty to make their views known on Brexit, and if their constituents had wanted a Leave MP they would have voted for them. Where for example was the UKIP vote? That was the one party which was unashamedly pro Brexit and its vote collapsed.

*grown ups

NF would only have been about 14/15 at the time.

And the boy in the photo looks as though he is about 14 or 15.

Do you really think that everyone who voted to leave in the referendum and/or will vote for the Brexit Party also wants to "privatise" the NHS?

Absolutely not - many will have been convinced by the £350 million a week, let's spend it on the NHS. However, they will be the ones most bitterly disappointed if the extreme right wing get in and the NHS is privatised. It won't worry Farage, he's got plenty of money to go privately.

Bellini, so you have looked at the GFA.
And you agree with me that there is no mention of a border, either a hard border or any other sort of border.
So, you may not like it but you cannot argue that a hard border in NI breaks the GFA.

And yes, I lost family in the struggles so I know quite a lot about it.

Where does it say Brexiteers want to privatise the NHS? You couldn't make this up!

Peregrino,
I did not miss a trick back in 2017.
Like you I had 1 vote and I exercised it. Unfortunately democracy will not allow sensible people like me to have multiple votes.

If you think that NI would be fine with any kind of border infrastructure, you are kidding yourself. But I've seen a few Leavers punting this idiocy so I suspect it's their new approach. Anything other than admitting that the WA would've made a good stab at dealing with this and people could've got around it.
If you think No Deal is the way forward, you are not really a compromise kind of person and there's no point trying to get you to see reason.

Peregrina the £350million Boris Pledge was something I saw through and disbelieved. I'm not the only one either - it seems to suit quite a few remain voters that all/most Leave voters did believe the Bus and/or Boris. And FB apparently - although also most Leave voters are also supposed to be old and "dead" so hardly the FB demographic.

The Leave vote didn't really get made from the extremes that so many Remain voters believe they're up against.

According to the guardian yesterday polls show that the Brexit party looks set to get more votes the the Conservatives and Labour combined.

Bellini, just admit that the GFA does not state that there must not be a hard border.
Stop wriggling.

I've heard someone say it's like a second referendum so I'm sure Remain parties will wipe the floor with them, what with more people supporting Remain rather than Leave

Except it's not a referendum is it. It's EU elections. So it would be spectacularly stupid to think people will simply be voting for parties as though it were. It's a lot more nuanced than that, although I guess those who don't want to see that simply won't.

Are we actually talking about polls for the EU elections here?

There might be a substantial chunk of people who'd vote for the overly simple messaging of the brexit party. Probably less than 50% now but a lot of people.

There's no majority for any definite form of brexit though. That's why Farage has kept to platitudes instead of giving any detail whatsoever.

That’s because the Conservative & Labour votes have collapsed. The brexit Party are stil polling at lower levels than UKIP were in 2014. You just about get there if you add the UKIP vote in.

It doesn’t seem that the Brexit Party are taking the Conservative/Labour vote. They’re taking the UkIP one. The Con/Lab vote has gone elsewhere.