Leavers rejoice

[Coppersulphate]

The Brexit Party are doing really well in the polls. I just hope they do as well in the election.
I think their slogan should be "Tell them again".
I would like to see a clean sweep of Brexiteers but I know that is not going to happen.
I have sent off my postal vote.

We need to train more nurses here. Nicking trained people from the EU 27 was always a shit strategy and an immoral one.

Indeed we do. Before that of course, we used to shameless nick them from the Commonwealth - countries who had a much greater lack of Health Care staff than we did.

So I am pleased to see that the Tories published their plans for significant increases in training places. They have gone back on that rather stupid decision to cease nursing and midwifery bursaries. The students applying for both skills tended to be older more mature women.
Oh wait, I don't see any such announcements, the Tories being too busy squabbling among themselves, to do anything.

How do you expect your pal Farage that you are so deliriously celebrating to tackle these issues? Even scrapping the NHS and making people pay won't produce the staff.

Meanwhile of course they are still welcome to come and always will be.
People judge by how they are treated, not empty words of a lame duck Prime Minister. And BTW did you read in the paper the other day the cost of non EU medical staff have to pay for visas. That is so welcoming. www.theguardian.com/society/2019/may/12/hundreds-of-foreign-doctors-mull-leaving-uk-over-crippling-fees It's in the Guardian, so it must of course be a pack of lies.

Peregrina,
You are right of course. The Guardian is a pack of lies. Always has been.

Peregrina I share your contempt for the Tories. One of the very best things about Brexit is that it will probably kill them off once and for all.

I do expect a post-Brexit government to train more NHS staff - and also to continue to nick them from all over the world - I am not naive. Said governement will not be led by Farage, although he might be an influence on it. It will presumably be a coalition of some kind - we will see.

can we hear more about the many green arguements for leave (seeing as the piece linked to was written three years ago by someone who now campaigns strongly for remain.)

there was a mner who used to argue that trade with countries the other side of the world was far greener than trade with our closest neighbours but that was a bit of a niche view.

I don't see how you anyone can argue that being in or out of the EU makes the UK more or less green.

However, as a growing number of people in the UK really do care about the environment, I would say that the healthier our democracy is the greener we will be. If or when we leave the EU it will be up to the electorate to keep pressure on the govt to respect the environment.

Here is Gove's big speech on it - for what it's worth!!

www.gov.uk/government/speeches/green-brexit-a-new-era-for-farming-fishing-and-the-environment

According to the latest poll of polls the Brexit party are on 30%
Yay, now that is really good news

Opinium has the Brexit party on 34%. Woohoo!

The EU is a key force for instigating environmental legislation. It has some of the highest environmental standards in the world.

It seems unlikely that a post-Brexit UK government would have the motivation to replicate that, given how many other problems they would face. As for an environment minister who famously dismissed experts...what can we hope for from him?

And the US, if it becomes a trading partner (which does depend on the GFA being upheld), will not encourage the UK to be anything like as strict as the EU is in terms of pollution, etc.

i would say that the healthier our democracy is the greener we will be

i dont understand that at all. can you explain? i take it you're in favour of another vote on the ref then?

why do you think green party, environmental groups, scientists, academics and campaigners are virtually entirely pro-remain?

Opinium has the Brexit party on 34%. Woohoo
At this point in EU election cycle last time the purples were on 38%.
Looks like they (purple et al) will get similar numbers of MEPs to last time.

I have just read that these are similar polling figures for the slime ball prior to a previous vote (cant recall if it was referendum or GE 2017) - the outcome was voting of 25%. Obv waaay too high for a twat like Farage, but perhaps the drop is indicative of people simply not being able to actually vote for the turd.

Yeah I'm not getting the greener democracy/greener environment thing. Sounds like the sort of bollocks from the toad.

yeah that gove speech is even more worthless than a three year old article by a former brexiteer turned remainer, isnt it

dearie me.

brexiteers, its ok to say you dont give a shit about the environment, you know.
its better than pretending that brexit is some great green movement.

The EU is a key force for instigating environmental legislation. It has some of the highest environmental standards in the world.

That's true.

It's not perfect though and the UK does a lot better than most other EU countries. I'm particularly cynical about Germany with its dieselgate, its massive coal fired power stations and its pipeline from Putin. 7 out of 10 of the EU top 10 carbon emitters are in Germany.
It's not easy being Green.

why do you think green party, environmental groups, scientists, academics and campaigners are virtually entirely pro-remain?

I do give a shit about the environment. I'm sure you do too.

I really don't know why the Green party is pro-remain.
It's also quite marxist and 'woke' and not at all gender-critical. I find it quite baffling. To me, marxism, the EU and transactivism has nothing to do with the environment at all.

What the UK does now and what the UK would manage/be arsed to do in a post-Brexit context are two radically different things, really. One is quantifiable and one is not.

fair play: the green party, the academics, scientists and environmental groups who are, as one, behind remain are wrong- you, michael , farage and the brexiteers care deeply about the environment and know that brexit is green.
niche view.

you're in favour of another vote though, yeah?

The Green party does not allow dissenting voices!

Even if the Brexit party get only 25% of the vote that will still be very good and will send a strong message to those self serving idiots we call MPs and who are determined to stop Brexit.

52 per cent of people voted to Leave.
Lots of those people care about the environment.
Most people care about the environment.

Even if the Brexit party get only 25% of the vote that will still be very good and will send a strong message to those self serving idiots we call MPs and who are determined to stop Brexit.

Indeed.