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Westminstenders: A fully functioning government?

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RedToothBrush · 10/05/2019 23:50

It's been a month since parliament voting on anything.

The staggering reality of May's premiership is that government has ceased to function. We are stuck not just on Brexit but every other issue, such is the weakness of May's authority.

It begs the question of how long this is tolerable by all sides of the Conservative Civil War?

May being unable to bring anything forward means no deal is probably as inevitable as if a hardliner was PM.

There was talk of May / Corbyn reaching a fudge to get a deal via the backdoor WAB (Withdrawal Agreement Implimentation Bill) as it was politically impossible for them to be seen doing a deal any other way. However news today is that despite pressure from the 1922 Committee to bring it forward, May has slapped just a one line whip on it, meaning it will go precisely no where.

The polling for the European elections is perhaps more favourable to Labour than they might have feared after last weeks local election disaster so the mutual interest for Corbyn to move forward in anyway has already gone. Seeing the Tories be humiliated at the ballot box is too much of a temptation.

The phrase about Shit Creek only gets more apt.

All that is happening is every member of the Tory Party is lining up to take part in a leadership contest. It's harder to think of a Tory who isn't considering standing. It's not just the likes of Johnson, Gove, Rudd and Hunt. It's also the likes of Johnny Mercer and Graham Brady queuing not so patiently.

And its getting harder to argue that May is better as PM than the possibility of a right right candidate, because of the paralysis. Though as Rudd rightly points out, such a PM who wanted to actively have no deal as a policy, would struggle to win a majority in the HoC for that all important Queens Speech vote - every bit as much as May. Unless they were to somehow decide they could abuse the power of the executive and ignore parliament - a feat May has repeatedly attempted but ultimately failed at.

All everything feels, is a massive sense of merely delaying the inevitable.

Remain? Hard to see how under any Tory. A Deal? Hard to see what it might be and how there will be a Parliamentary majority. A PV? Well that still has to get through parliament and needs to be arranged smartish. And might not resolve the Irish border issue if the vote goes 'the wrong way' A General Election? That still seems to be a distinct possibility. But with the seeming resurrection of the LDs that's one the Tories will be desperate to avoid. Not that Corbyn is likely to succeed either. And of course there is now the Spectre of the Turquoise Arrows lurking. The crushing of the purple pound notes feels a hollow and distinct success.

It feels like we are waiting for the political sky to fall in in some sort of never ending Brexit Purgotory.

The cataclysmic event will occur at some point. It has to. But for now, it feels that there is nothing but waiting and waiting to be done.

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Peregrina · 11/05/2019 10:52

Ah well, if Luxembourg came 4th to the first UK winner, I take it back. I thought Love is Blue was 1966, (but it was a long time ago and the memory is slipping.)

But I was just thinking - these reminiscences are wasted - we should save them for the times when the under the bridge dwellers come out.

Peregrina · 11/05/2019 10:53

Sandie Shaw became a Buddhist, I believe?

WhatWouldScoobyDoo · 11/05/2019 11:08

Love the poem, lonely!

Bigchoc I agree that article is too flippant/naive in its dismissal of the danger.

woman19 · 11/05/2019 11:12

She did Peregrina. Nichiren Buddhism.

NoWordForFluffy · 11/05/2019 11:20

Love Mrs Brown's Boys too mother. (the earlier funnier ones)

I have to admit to being a Mrs Brown's Boys hater too! 🙈😂

I don't consider Eurovision to be a real competition. I just find it excruciatingly painful to watch invariant rubbish presenters and even worse entries.

But, if it makes you happy, then it's a brilliant thing. As Bellini said, that's what the off button is for. Grin

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CrunchyCarrot · 11/05/2019 11:33

Eurovision: a big thumbs up from me! Hilariously awful at times. Grin

We are bound to get nil points this year, no matter who writes/performs the song.

1tisILeClerc · 11/05/2019 11:46

Maybe enter Farage in a Borat costume? (For Eurovision I mean.)

BigChocFrenzy · 11/05/2019 12:15

Question Time was superb when Robin Day was presenting it - it was the weekly TV highlight for mum and me

Robin Day directed an intelligent debate, didn't let guests get away with evasions - they never dared lie on his show - and the audience were sober and attentive to match this.

Dreadful how a flagship program, a jewel in the crown, has degenerated into a Fail brawl

Enjoy this QT debate with very big names - recognise them ? - hell, brings home the F stream on QT now

m.youtube.com/watch?v=S7On-07BznU

DGRossetti · 11/05/2019 12:58

Not much to add except got back from swimming this morning and found one of the local cats that seems to like hanging around ours sunning itself on our green waste bin. I tried to get a nice face pic, but cats are their own master ...

This cat I know the name of, thanks to it's collar Grin which says "please don't feed me". However it'll have to remain secret as it's probably horrendously outing ...

Westminstenders: A fully functioning government?
Hasenstein · 11/05/2019 13:05

PMK

thethethethethe · 11/05/2019 13:16

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BestIsWest · 11/05/2019 13:44

Eurovision haters here too. Is it today?

Just watching QT on catch up ( I usually avoid it like the plague but DH insists on having it on). Fiona Bruce is awful.

Icantreachthepretzels · 11/05/2019 13:55

place marking with a bunny. Thanks for the new thread Red. I must admit to being completely ambivalent on Eurovision - I'll watch it - but I don't love it, and I'm not disappointed if I forget it's on and so miss it.

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bellinisurge · 11/05/2019 13:56

I so wanted Fiona Bruce to be better. I didn't want a Robin Day/David Dimbleby clone but I wanted to see someone who lets guests be challenged either by themselves if no one else does it, by another panellist or, at worst, by a member of the audience. Some of the audience were ok(even if I disagreed with them) same with the panel, apart from NF. She let him fly off on his own and promote the Nigel Party with no check on him. She was shite.

BigChocFrenzy · 11/05/2019 14:03

I'm certainly not a Eurovision hater: it seems very cheesy, naff to me, but it's very easy not to watch

OublietteBravo · 11/05/2019 14:10

You need to half watch Eurovision whilst following the MN Eurovision threads. They’re so much better than any other commentary.

bellinisurge · 11/05/2019 14:32

I also dislike Mrs Brown's Boys. There appears to be no pleasing me. Grin

HazardGhost · 11/05/2019 14:41

Ta red

Not a fan of Mrs Brown's boys.

Meh over Eurovision can take it or leave it. I'm the same with marmite - I think it's alright.

Not kept up on threads but read news headlines. If fannying about were an Olympic sport we'd get the gold.

Peregrina · 11/05/2019 14:58

So can we expect another party leader to be on QT next week, or is Farage the only one who counts?

prettybird · 11/05/2019 15:17

Belatedly jumping into the thread with weird regal cats who love the cat basket Confused which reminds me, their vaccinations are overdue

Just back from picking up the boy from Aberdeen. Drove up this morning, packed his stuff into boxes that we took up for him apparently they don't have boxes in Aberdeen Hmm as well as an extra suitcase, had some lunch and back to Glasgow before 3 Grin Roads were lovely and clear - and I was able to snooze as dh was happy to drive (I am not a morning person).

Westminstenders: A fully functioning government?
Clavinova · 11/05/2019 15:31

So can we expect another party leader to be on QT next week, or is Farage the only one who counts?

Caroline Lucas and Vince Cable were on QT two weeks ago - on the same panel - VC was subdued.

I didn't think Anna Soubry had anything new to say this week - very poor effort.

Mistigri · 11/05/2019 15:59

Dreadful how a flagship program, a jewel in the crown, has degenerated into a Fail brawl

It is very much in keeping with the descent into mediocrity in British public life, which has accelerated exponentially since 2015.

Iambuffy · 11/05/2019 16:06

Took ds2 to see detective pikachu.
Very good! 😊

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