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Westminstenders: Fallout coming to a place near you soon

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RedToothBrush · 02/05/2019 18:18

Once again not much to report on Brexit itself.

The sideshow of Gavin Williamson lots set to run and rumble on. The scandal further weakens May as she has lost a key ally. Despite his protests of innocence, May herself must believe he is guilty. Whether this is because she is indeed too heavily influenced by Sedwill is the question, but for her to sack him when she has failed to do so with other Cabinet Members so many times means she must feel there is good reason. Every other party has seen it as a good opportunity to put the boot in and demand an investigation. So far this has been paid lip service as the Cabinet Office must approve any investigation and this doesn't seem to be forthcoming from Lidington. This may not hold, if pressure grows. In truth the whole affair is unlikely to damage Williamson's leadership ambitions; he has raised his profile and set up a narrative of a Remainer Victim. Penny Mordaunt has been the other major beneficiary of the issue.

May now seems to have abandoned the idea that there will be a way forward found before the European elections and they are now definitely going ahead. This isn't a surprise as there is no incentive for Labour to have an agreement before the EU elections in which the Conservatives are certain to get a bloody nose. She also seems to be dropping hints they she will give into a customs union.

We have a visit from Trump to look forward to, which will be utterly joyous. There are rumours that he might meet Farage whilst he is here. His visit starts on 3rd June and finish on the 5th.

The Peterborough By Election is set for just a few days later on the 6th June. The Brexit Party have a very good chance of winning their first Parliamentary seat here - so the temptation to have a photo shoot with Trump will be all the more appealing to Farage. The hope must be that the Brexit vote will be split, allowing Labour to retain the seat. The previous Conservative MP, Stewart Jackson might well stand and he's very Brexity, George Galloway is trying to get the Brexit Party candidency though I think it unlikely and he will probably stand as a Pro-Brexit Independent anyway. There is also the prospect of Farage himself standing as its a winnable seat, but this seems unlikely as you can't be an MEP and an MP and its a high risk strategy to go for MP rather than a sure fire MEP. (Plus the pay is better for MEP).

May faces a challenge at grassroots level with an Emergency Meeting called by the Conservative Associations at her leadership. This will be in mid June. After the local, EU elections and Trump's visit this will be difficult for her to survive. Whilst she has survived this long, this will prove to be her biggest challenge yet.

It has to be said that there is no sign that we will get anything but no deal ultimately. There is an admission that May can't pass a Queen's speech with anything meaningful, so as long as she remains as PM parliament is even more paralysed that it has been to date. All things point to a new leader who is very Brexitty or accidental no deal because May can not do anything.

Meanwhile in the real world there are rumours that cancer treatments are now being delayed indefinitely due to Brexit... And so we continue to destroy ourselves and now, it seems, actively kill people in the name of Brexit.

Local Election results will start tonight with the majority tomorrow. Tories are expecting 700 - 1000 losses.

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user1471453601 · 03/05/2019 19:10

Can you sensible people explain to me why, when the Lib Dems and Greens (the only two parties explicitly campaigning on a no leave/second teferendum) have done so well l,theh torrry deputy chair says torrys lost so many councillors because they are pro leave, but haven't managed to deliver?tore

I thought I was fairly politically savy, but her stance has completely confused me. She's in a fairly high position, so must be a little bit savy, yet she's reached the exact opposite opinion from me

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 03/05/2019 19:15

user

Its because they are fucking stupid

Its the only possible explanation

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 03/05/2019 19:16

And i used to think that politicians must be fairly clever

Not genius level...but bright

Nope

Runningintothesunset · 03/05/2019 19:17

From Twitter Grin

TalkinPaece · 03/05/2019 19:19

User147
Both the Maybot voices and the Corbynistas are pretending that the results are a
get on with Brexit mandate
when the rest of the country knows its the exact opposite

not quite sure how to effect the change that is needed though

RedToothBrush · 03/05/2019 19:21

We have passed -1300

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thethethethethe · 03/05/2019 19:22

They don't care what the People think, so just keep on pretending that the People agree with them?

OublietteBravo · 03/05/2019 19:23

Excellent. Both long-standing labour councillors in my ward kept their seats. And the neighbouring ward (the boundary is along my back fence) has gone LibDem. Still waiting for the results of the mayoral election.

BoreOfWhabylon · 03/05/2019 19:24

Thanks SWesters Flowers

TalkinPaece · 03/05/2019 19:24

I admit, I'd like Labour to lose 100
on principle Grin

icannotremember · 03/05/2019 19:27

They want the results to mean "get on with Brexit" so they are kidding themselves that that is what they do mean. Corbyn is a long term eurosceptic and May has tied herself firmly to the delivering Brexit mast. Neither have much motivation to see any electoral result as anything other than a demand for Brexit.

TheMShip · 03/05/2019 19:40

Kuennsberg has come right out and said that the Labour losses are to LD/Green and indicate the remain vote heading that way: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48155425

thethethethethe · 03/05/2019 19:41

They're not kidding themselves. They're trying to kid the Public.

BigChocFrenzy · 03/05/2019 19:41

May has the justification that 70% of her voters do want Brexit and some of them voted for Independents or stayed home out of anger that Brexit hasn't happened.

Corbyn is going against the wishes of 70% of Labour voters and some of them voted Green or LDem,
because he keeps refusing to support a PV and obviously is still pushing a soft Brexit

He needs to go, asap

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 03/05/2019 19:43

Exceptionally late pmk this time. Thanks red

TheElementsSong · 03/05/2019 19:54

They're trying to kid the Public.

No.

They're trying to kid a very specific subset of the Public, namely the ones who already BeLeave and are fully marinated in Patriotism Sovereignty BMWsProsecco Fishermen NoDeal EUSSR Betrayal Elites RealBritish Any-Brexit-Buzz-Word-Even-If-It-Contradicts-Previous-Brexit-Buzz-Words.

And it will completely work.

RedToothBrush · 03/05/2019 19:55

Just the following yet to declare:
Mansfield
Mid Sussex
Waverley
York

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Littlespaces · 03/05/2019 20:02

@ShippersUnbound
With news that spoiled ballots are up this year, a reminder that at one election when someone wrote "c*" against every candidate bar one, the Lib Dems successfully argued that it was a vote for them

@Ben Rathe
One former LD MP successfully argued that a penis drawn next to their name was a clear and obvious preference for them.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 03/05/2019 20:04

BBC News 24 still saying 1100 seats lost. Bastards. Hide the news until it's not news.

Sostenueto · 03/05/2019 20:06

Finally my area come in as Tory win which is daft as borders changed and 2 county councils merged to form one new one. The 2 old ones were Tory anyway. So should be Tory hold.Hmm notice Tories have lost a lot of ground across my county.

OublietteBravo · 03/05/2019 20:10

We’re NOC (with 2 wards still to declare). LibDems/Greens have gained seats Tories/Labour have lost them. Nothing too surprising there. Good on the Greens - they didn’t have any seats previously and now have 2 (out of 40).

OublietteBravo · 03/05/2019 20:13

LibDem mayor re-elected. Keeping the Tories out yet again. Hooray!

RedToothBrush · 03/05/2019 20:19

Latest
Con - 1327
Lab - 77
LD + 695
Green + 193
UKIP - 144
Other + 658

Bbc news website main headline is now
'Local elections: Conservatives lose more than 1,300 councillors'

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jasjas1973 · 03/05/2019 20:21

Struggling to see how anyone can say these results are a mandate to "get on with brexit...."

Do these twats realise ukip have not sweeping the board !!!

Listening to one of the last Lab shadow cabinet MPs i had any time for (Thornberry) had me shouting at the TV, is she some sort of fucking moron?

Littlespaces · 03/05/2019 20:31

They are going to rush through a fudge stitch up 'Maybyn Deal'.

Labour will pay the biggest price. Cue another Tory Government and more austerity.