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Westminstenders: Fallout coming to a place near you soon

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RedToothBrush · 02/05/2019 18:18

Once again not much to report on Brexit itself.

The sideshow of Gavin Williamson lots set to run and rumble on. The scandal further weakens May as she has lost a key ally. Despite his protests of innocence, May herself must believe he is guilty. Whether this is because she is indeed too heavily influenced by Sedwill is the question, but for her to sack him when she has failed to do so with other Cabinet Members so many times means she must feel there is good reason. Every other party has seen it as a good opportunity to put the boot in and demand an investigation. So far this has been paid lip service as the Cabinet Office must approve any investigation and this doesn't seem to be forthcoming from Lidington. This may not hold, if pressure grows. In truth the whole affair is unlikely to damage Williamson's leadership ambitions; he has raised his profile and set up a narrative of a Remainer Victim. Penny Mordaunt has been the other major beneficiary of the issue.

May now seems to have abandoned the idea that there will be a way forward found before the European elections and they are now definitely going ahead. This isn't a surprise as there is no incentive for Labour to have an agreement before the EU elections in which the Conservatives are certain to get a bloody nose. She also seems to be dropping hints they she will give into a customs union.

We have a visit from Trump to look forward to, which will be utterly joyous. There are rumours that he might meet Farage whilst he is here. His visit starts on 3rd June and finish on the 5th.

The Peterborough By Election is set for just a few days later on the 6th June. The Brexit Party have a very good chance of winning their first Parliamentary seat here - so the temptation to have a photo shoot with Trump will be all the more appealing to Farage. The hope must be that the Brexit vote will be split, allowing Labour to retain the seat. The previous Conservative MP, Stewart Jackson might well stand and he's very Brexity, George Galloway is trying to get the Brexit Party candidency though I think it unlikely and he will probably stand as a Pro-Brexit Independent anyway. There is also the prospect of Farage himself standing as its a winnable seat, but this seems unlikely as you can't be an MEP and an MP and its a high risk strategy to go for MP rather than a sure fire MEP. (Plus the pay is better for MEP).

May faces a challenge at grassroots level with an Emergency Meeting called by the Conservative Associations at her leadership. This will be in mid June. After the local, EU elections and Trump's visit this will be difficult for her to survive. Whilst she has survived this long, this will prove to be her biggest challenge yet.

It has to be said that there is no sign that we will get anything but no deal ultimately. There is an admission that May can't pass a Queen's speech with anything meaningful, so as long as she remains as PM parliament is even more paralysed that it has been to date. All things point to a new leader who is very Brexitty or accidental no deal because May can not do anything.

Meanwhile in the real world there are rumours that cancer treatments are now being delayed indefinitely due to Brexit... And so we continue to destroy ourselves and now, it seems, actively kill people in the name of Brexit.

Local Election results will start tonight with the majority tomorrow. Tories are expecting 700 - 1000 losses.

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ContinuityError · 03/05/2019 10:08

Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB

How the vote went in Moggsy own ward in NE Somerset
LD 67%
CON 28%
LAB 5%

The turnout was 54%

Hahahahaha ...

Clavinova · 03/05/2019 10:08

LonelyTiredandLow

If there is a GE I don't fancy Labour's chances.
Conservative/Brexit Party/DUP coalition would be amusing...Grin

woman19 · 03/05/2019 10:13

^How the vote went in Moggsy own ward in NE Somerset
LD 67%^
Delicious, continuityerror.Smile

TheElementsSong · 03/05/2019 10:15

As for EU citizens resident in the UK can vote in local elections? Do you have a problem with people who work here and pay taxes being represented?

Haven't you seen their posts before? It's amazing how many shallowly polite and articulate ways somebody can "get at" people for having foreign taint.

borntobequiet · 03/05/2019 10:21

Perhaps Boris does have a set number of lies to tell per day. Perhaps all politicians do!

Once, as a teacher, I was told told that I should ask a certain number of questions per lesson. My Y11s worked out that if I asked X questions in one lesson I would fulfil the allocation for the year. It was an ICT group so as they pointed out, it was mostly them asking the questions, not me.

woman19 · 03/05/2019 10:21

can "get at" people for having foreign taint
I know elements
How sad it is to see posters who are obsessed about where voters are born. I feel very sorry for those type of posters.

@guyverhofstadt
Congratulations to the @LibDems for their excellent results! Real momentum for pro- Europeans in the UK now ahead of #EUelections2019 #IamEuropean #LibDemFightback

LonelyTiredandLow · 03/05/2019 10:23

Wonder how Bojo our wee friend Micky did with his Brexit Party poll? It's always the ones shouting loudest who turn out to be bullshitters.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 03/05/2019 10:24

foreign taint

I agree theelements

Even surnames are deeply suspicious

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 03/05/2019 10:25
BigChocFrenzy · 03/05/2019 10:26

It is a charactistic of most Leavers who post here - but maybe not most Leavers in the country - to complain about those Westministenders with foreign connections

Often those same Leavers complain bitterly that people say they are xenophobic

Nice way to feel victimhood - do what you complain Remainers accuse you of

woman19 · 03/05/2019 10:27

Labour's lost Bolsover. Where the brexist beast is from.

Peregrina · 03/05/2019 10:27

Some EU citizens will have decided that the best course of action is to take out British Citizenship, Clavinova. Are you going to object to that too?

As for the said nephew - coming over once in 20 years and then clearing off again, isn't regularly working in EU ski seasons, and he was proud of the fact he voted Leave - very much to the annoyance of his brother, who has made a home for himself here, and does contribute quite heftily in taxes to this country. And yes, that does annoy me when EU citizens married to Britons here weren't allowed to vote, despite contributing to this country, and now being uncertain of their status - I can immediately think of 10 couples in this situation.

Then you get the anomaly that Cypriots and Maltese who live here could vote in the Referendum, because they are Commonwealth citizens. At the very least, details like this should have been worked through before Cameron rushed to have his Referendum.

BigChocFrenzy · 03/05/2019 10:27

You foreign reindeer coming over on Christmas Eve and bringing that bearded old foreigner with gifts for the kids

The cheek of it ! Shock

DGRossetti · 03/05/2019 10:29

Just to intrude on the MN bubble, there's an interesting discussion on a USENET group I frequent. The first post is "OT:What do people make of local election results" ...

2:What elections ? Have there been any ?
1:Whereabouts do you live ?
2:Northants .....

So there is a really serious question to be asked about how many of the people that didn't vote didn't know there was an election at all ?

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 03/05/2019 10:29

Oh shit I forgot about santa!!!

Named after chocolate are you big

BigChocFrenzy · 03/05/2019 10:29

and Cameron breaking his promise to let Brits abroad keep their vote
1 million Brits in the E27 affected - all should have been able to vote on it

Dontlickthetrolley · 03/05/2019 10:31

Northants elections were cancelled by the government, they are due to be moved to a 2 unitary authority from 7 districts and one county next year but still waiting for government to rubber stamp it as something called "Brexit" is stopping day to day things happening!

Clavinova · 03/05/2019 10:32

TheElementsSong
Haven't you seen their posts before? It's amazing how many shallowly polite and articulate ways somebody can "get at" people for having foreign taint.

I am polite in real life as well.

If you have been reading my posts - you might have noticed that I have one set of French-born grandparents living in the UK. Smile

Tanith · 03/05/2019 10:33

The poor man's hand slipped - could have happened to anyone Grin

metro.co.uk/2019/05/03/man-insists-just-slipped-threw-milkshake-tommy-robinson-9396036/

Peregrina · 03/05/2019 10:34

DGR - to be fair to the people in Northants, their elections were cancelled. The Council went bankrupt through mismanagement and was about to be reorganised, but they don't seem to have got on with that yet and they were waiting until that happened to have fresh elections.

This is not the same as Boris lying about voting when he didn't because he couldn't.

BigChocFrenzy · 03/05/2019 10:35

Rufus < shameless > Chocolate illustrates the importance of new ideas from abroad.

Just imagine if we had had Fortress Britain and all those generations had never known chocolate
That would be true cause for revolution

DGRossetti · 03/05/2019 10:35

Wasn't William the Bastards son William "Rufus" because of his red hair ? He'd clearly fail the Brexiteer test of Britishness ... as would Farages children.

Peregrina · 03/05/2019 10:37

Aren't that most British of dishes, Fish & Chips a foreign import? Don't get me started on chicken tikka masala. (Too early, not had breakfast yet!)

Clavinova · 03/05/2019 10:39

Peregrina
Some EU citizens will have decided that the best course of action is to take out British Citizenship, Clavinova. Are you going to object to that too?

Obviously not - send as many EU doctors, engineers, financiers, scientists (etc) to the UK after Brexit as you like. My UK relatives were only able to emigrate to the country they wanted to go to because they are skilled professionals.

Tanith · 03/05/2019 10:40

Fish and Chips was the first meal I had on British soil Smile

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