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Westminstenders: A False Sense of Security

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RedToothBrush · 12/04/2019 22:34

The new exit date, unless we agree a deal sooner, is the 31st October.

It seems ages away, but its runs the risk of a false sense of security too.

The first deadline is May 22nd. The Conservative Party would dearly like to avoid European Elections. They are already liable to face wipe out in the early May local elections, as the party was at its peak in 2015 under Cameron when there were last elections.

The EU elections have the added danger of proportional representation meaning UKIP and The Brexit Party could win seats from them. This is despite polling suggesting that Ukip and the Brexit Party are unlikely to reach the high watermark of 2015 and this could lead to fewer UKIP style MEPs this time round.

The liklihood of a deal by 22nd May is low though. Especially given how well Tory - Labour talks are going. The potential for a deal seems remote in the next few weeks.

The next deadline falls on 30th June. If we do have EU elections, the next target for the Tory Party is the end of June to get a deal before the newly elected MEPs can take their seats. However if the goal is unachievable before EU elections, it seems unlikely that agreement will be found in the next 30 days unless there is a major change of heart amongst the hardcore ERG and the DUP. Labour will want to see the Tories humiliated too much.

May who says she will go, will face another wave of pressure to resign during May and June. Messages out of No10, though not May herself, had indicated an exit around 22nd May on the condition a deal was done. Crafty as ever, what May actually said was she would stay on until we reached the second stage of Brexit and had effectively left. This now falls as late as Oct 31st, thus killing plans for a summer Tory leader election.

Once we get past June though, time for a deal, any deal starts to become very limited. Parliament only sits until mid July. Here May hits another problem. The two year parliamentary session ends. There has been talk of it being extended but the DUP have firmly said no to this.

This means when parliament is due to return in September we have an issue. To start a new session May will need a majority to pass a Queens Speech. If the DUP and Hardline ERGers withdraw support in protest at May still being PM what happens? Can May win support from elsewhere. It seems unlikely.

At this point the question of a General Election looms large. And we only have six weeks from then before we exit the EU. If a GE is triggered then, the risk of no deal is extremely high, which might encourage some to support May from across the aisle to prevent parliament from being shut and losing those crucial six weeks.

The danger over the next few weeks, is there is a false sense of there being lots of time left. The reality is our real deadline might be in effect the end of the parliamentary session in mid July. After that all bets are off.

The date of 31st October isn't the one you should keep your eyes on.

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Iambuffy · 17/04/2019 14:16

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prettybird · 17/04/2019 14:27

The other thing with Parliament being in recess is that not everyone who works there is a well paid whatever they might think Wink MP. They deserve a break too!

Hasenstein · 17/04/2019 14:30

The nose has it?! 😂

DW, who's been here for 40 years, but with little interest in political history until she had to do the Life in the UK test, was watching a recent voting session in Parliament and asked about the HoC custom of the "eyes" and the "nose" and why the "eyes" should be to the right, when the "nose" is to the left.

A lot of people in Germany seem very clued up about our parliamentary goings-on, more so than their own. I think they see it as a period drama with lots of noise and curious tradition, but where nothing actually ever happens and Godot doesn't turn up.

WhatWouldScoobyDoo · 17/04/2019 14:30

I've had a work related break down in the past

... Me too. I didn’t have a handy cupboard but I did hide in the loos Sad. And I am a very driven and conscientious person.

I hope the break has given MPs mental breathing space.

DGRossetti · 17/04/2019 15:21

That Brexiting Meme (for copying and posting), and an observation about the Brexit Party logo ...

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Westminstenders: A False Sense of Security
RedToothBrush · 17/04/2019 15:40

European Parliament voting intention:

BREX: 27%
LAB: 22%
CON: 15%
GRN: 10%
LDEM: 9%
UKIP: 7%
CHUK: 6%

via @YouGov, 15 - 16 Apr

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lonelyplanetmum · 17/04/2019 15:41

FFS

Flowerplower · 17/04/2019 15:42

MPs need a break...if only so that Led by Donkeys can take their break too! And I'd rather have a way forward that comes out of rest and reflection than exhaustion and panic. But yes they'd definitely better come back with their "asses in gear" (I'm originally from the USA and very now and then one of my old phrases comes in handy...).

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MissMalice · 17/04/2019 15:45

What the feck is that? 27% for Farridge? That is very worrying.

Littlespaces · 17/04/2019 15:46

Need to start sharing this everywhere.

www.remainvoter.com/

Motheroffourdragons · 17/04/2019 15:48

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RedToothBrush · 17/04/2019 15:52

I will vote for anyone who will keep the number of seats the Brexit Party get down.

ANYONE.

I also will be unimpressed by remain parties who practice tribalism for the European elections.

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Flowerplower · 17/04/2019 15:59

Me too Red...of course, anyone but UKIP and for me anyone but Tories.

Songsofexperience · 17/04/2019 16:01

Depressing yes. Openly pro remain parties total 25%. If we add Labour to that we get 47% of votes predicted for non-batshit parties vs 49% for Brexit/Cons/Ukip.
It's those damn 2% again...

Hasenstein · 17/04/2019 16:01

I also will be unimpressed by remain parties who practice tribalism for the European elections.

Absolutely. There is no place for party separatism in European elections. This is not the Westminster catfight of a national election, it needs like-minded people of whatever party to act together for a common goal.

Icantreachthepretzels · 17/04/2019 16:27

Maybe those polling figures will make some of the remain parties see reason. I know they want to run the EU elections as a soft referendum ... well if Farage wins that tells them what they need to know. They need to recognise that most people in the electorate are in a malaise and it is the people at both ends that are more likely to vote - they need to galvanise the remainers AND make it easy for them to show their voting intentions. Because a split across Tiggers/ renew/ lib dem/ green doesn't result in any kind of victory and playing the 'remain parties polled higher when combined' tune won't be listened to - even if it is true.

The trouble is that the far right has the one thing that remain is lacking - and the one thing needed to gain any quick success in politics - a clear leader.

Flowerplower · 17/04/2019 16:38

We need Keir Starmer to stage some sort of hostile takeover of the leadership of the Labour party!!

Littlespaces · 17/04/2019 16:42

You can almost picture Arron Banks sending e mails to Farage at the moment.

Brexit is like a cancer and will spread unchecked until it has killed off enough cells.

TatianaLarina · 17/04/2019 17:07

On the plus side I’ve seen anti Brexit graffiti, and someone near me has the EU flag and ‘Cancel Brexit’ in their window.

(But in a 75% Remain area, they’re preaching to the converted.)

DGRossetti · 17/04/2019 17:37

I see Mark Francois has written for Private Eyes Diary page.

Peregrina · 17/04/2019 17:43

Perhaps I am trying to convince myself, but the 'regular' parties, Labour, LibDem and Tory are at the moment concentrating their efforts on the areas with Local Elections. Farage/Brexit left it too late to contest these so isn't putting up any candidates, (as far as I am aware). Once these are over, I hope that the Remain parties will go full out for the EU elections.

After all at the GE May was going to get her 100 seat majority and lost it. We can only hope that with the split between UKIP and the Brexit party the votes are split.

I don't think the Remain parties have really got enough time to plan a co-ordinated campaign - we have been doing this in the Local elections, but it's taken quite a bit of negotiation to get organised - and this was with people willing to compromise.

HunkyDory69 · 17/04/2019 17:51

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Oakenbeach · 17/04/2019 19:31

If Change UK don’t act pragmatically and seek to work with other “Remain” parties, they will have failed their first big test. They will have lost any moral high ground when it comes to berating TM for failing to seek common ground with those outside their party.

They will have proved that they also believe petty tribalism is more important than Brexit, and be written off as pathetic, and they won’t even have the excuse of having 200+ years of history and tradition to fight against.

TatianaLarina · 17/04/2019 19:40

Thanks for the FT article Hunky!