Which Remain voices do you think have the most impact?

[CalamityJune]

I sometimes listen to James OBrien who, whilst I do agree with him on Brexit, strikes me as someone who is more likely to entrench a Leaver in their views. The way that he speaks over and laughs at Leave callers is quite uncomfortable listening at times and I think feeds the view that Remainers are patronising, arrogant and think all Leavers are stupid.

I have to say that I like Alastair Campbell on the subject (yes, I know!).

David Lammy has also been fantastic

Who else do you think helps, or damages the attempt to shift the public opinion towards Remain?

all the people you are listing are rich and London
so will not persuade the undecided

I agree with this. I remember the night before the referendum watching Will Self on Channel 4 news. I felt so viscerally disgusted by his insufferable, arrogant, sneering demeanour that I was momentarily tempted to vote Leave. I blame Remainers like him as much as the likes of Farage and Johnson for Brexit.

all the people you are listing are rich and London

Is that true? Definitely not all London.

I don't know what you mean re plan.

Parliament is remain as is our pm. Where is the brexiter supposed too come up with plans?
If brexiter at helm since vote and a strong leave majority do you really Think we would be where we are?

It's Been like trying too jump high jump in Olympics but competition has control of your pole and won't let you get over

Parliament is remain as is our pm. Where is the brexiter supposed too come up with plans

Teresha May is not a remain PM. She may have voted remain but that was while holding her nose. She does not like immigration.

On becoming PM, she immediately put mainly Brexiteers in the main roles (Liam Fox, BJ, Gove, to name but a few in key positions, Hammond being an obvious exception). David Davis as Brexit minister.

They have not failed because they are remainers, they have failed because they are useless. Or because they realise it's a complete mess but as male politicians with massive egos, can't bring themselves to admit it.

EatenEaster don't tell me, we survived two world wars too

brexiteers dont seem to realise that t.may triggered article 50 and that david davis was in charge of negotiations (and remember when boris was foreign sec)!

this seems to have gone over their heads.

i think when radiologists, doctors, surgeons, midwives and nurses speak out against no deal brexit thats powerful. and when the cbi and the tuc joined forces too.

I'll never understand how brexiteers would listen to their concerns and then just dismiss them as rich Londoners- as if jrm, gove, johnson, banks, farage, lawson and dyson represent the interests of the average people. imean, its bizarre.

eaten You have been hoodwinked into believing that TM is a remainer. If that were true, she would not have insisted on her ridiculous red lines and given Brexiteers key cabinet posts. The fact that David Davis, Dominic Raab, Liam Fox et al have made a colossal fuck up of Brexit cannot be laid at the feet of parliament. You are displaying the 'Leavers as victims' mentality that we are increasingly seeing. "Oh, Brexit could have been so brilliant if there hadn't been a conspiracy to thwart it..."
Brexit will damage the country and the government does not want to admit this. Neither do Leavers. So, instead, they look for someone to blame. If Brexit was going to be beneficial for the UK, Leavers have had ample opportunity to prove to remainers how this could be achieved. They can't, and are now whinging that it's all someone else's fault.

If brexiter at helm since vote and a strong leave majority do you really Think we would be where we are?

Eaten Again - this is the other issue... there was no 'strong leave majority' Not in parliament and not among voters. But they forged ahead anyway in the complete absence of any plan. This is what you voted for.

Where I live it was the rich who voted for leave
I still slap myself on the forehead for not cottoning on that the number of placards I saw outside houses in the New Forest represented the groundswell not a minority

the Remain campaign were utterly shit
the bulk of them still are
only LedByDonkeys have the popular feel

why?
because remain is head not heart
and leave is heart not head

I do not know a way around that without finding the mother of all orators
but we have none around at the moment

I think, too, that Remain are more reluctant to tell blatant lies and appeal to the lowest common denominator, although I can't think what the remain equivalent of the big red bus or the 'breaking point' poster would be, so not sure how they could fight fire with fire IYSWIM.

Two fingers have you seen that funny ditty song. It lists a few scares we were told. Apparently remain Said we would experience gonaerea ( so, I'm a thick leaver) outbreak?

And no sandwiches?
Other stuff like that.

Anna Soubry
Yvette Couper
Alastair Campbell
Dominic Grieve
Gina Miller

And all the others who work hard to get the people's vote.

Anna s.
Blair... esp doing that little laugh when someone speaks.. and he says..."look"
Chukka...

Brown...
Kerwin

People like that will defiantly keep leaver fire stoked. Let's hear more from them. Can we get brown back in Rochdale!

Let's get chukka into Birkenhead... he'll Go down a treat there!!

Apparently remain Said we would experience gonaerea ( so, I'm a thick leaver) outbreak?
"remain said"...? Can you be more specific? Who exactly said this?

No, I haven't seen 'that funny ditty song.' I have no idea what you're talking about.

Also, eaten if you can find a reference to "remain" saying we'd all get gonorrhea, perhaps you could also show me where this nonsense was driven around the country on the side of a bus, promoted by cabinet ministers, and slapped on the front pages of the mainstream media?

Farridge is brilliant at the man of the people stuff - he's an utter Dulwich College merchant banker fraud - but he wings it

Remain have nobody like him
Hezza after the march is getting darned close - he was so ferkin angry that day it exuded from him
BUT
he was Maggie's deputy
and tribal voters will not see past that

not one single current MP has the oratory IMHO
except David Lammy - but as a black immigrant he'll never get through to the "left behind" which is a crying shame

head over heart is a bugger to explain
(look at the USA ffs)

lijjk:
Your first list would appeal to people of a nationalistic persuasion.
Your second list would require people to do critical thinking.
Take bendy bananas as an example. Boris Johnson was one of the people saying banana shape was an EU imposition. Anyone with critical thinking skills would have looked around their local shops and thought 'Hang on a minute... these bananas look bendy to me.' (Critical thinking at its most basic.)
They didn't.
They choce to believe Boris. Confirmation bias.

We are the voices that will have most impact.

The march and the petition scared hell out of Leave; that’s why they’ve tried so hard to rubbish both.

They have the money to discredit or to silence those who try to lead us; that’s why they ramped up the hate against Tony Blair - they knew he could speak eloquently and well.

However, they can’t silence and discredit us all and they know it. That’s why they are trying so hard to stop us having another say through a People’s Vote, a GE or European elections: they know full well that Remainers will then have to be heard through campaigning.

Led By Donkeys has been successful not only because they are drawing attention to the lies from the mouths of the Leave campaigners but because they’ve gone out to the places where their message will be seen by Leavers.

We need to stop avoiding the subject out of politeness, embarrassment or whatever and keep calling out the lies and misunderstandings.

Well said, Tanith.

Most of the remainers mentioned are liberal, establishment figures who may not appeal to those who really need to be persuaded.

A 'tweaked' Tommy Robinson would do better. He wouldn’t have to ditch his white supremacist views, objectionable as they are. He could still promote the idea of England being the dog's bollocks.

All it would take would be for him to champion the rights of working class white-majority communities - as he does already - but in a different way. He would have to put the blame for their struggles squarely where it belongs, with the political elite in London and their policies rather than the EU. (Austerity. Down-sizing of industries. Etc.)

If he were to recognise that Brexit was a pig in a poke sold by the toffs in power on British soil, and he shared this realisation, he would be listened to, I feel.

(Not that any of this is likely to happen. I just feel that an outsider like him is required.)

People would then call him a Marxist, Outwith. And if there's one thing Brexiteers hate more than Remoaners...

Well said Tanith

outwith
Stephen Yaxley-Lennon Tommy Robinson is a racist little ratbag who will never speak for the bulk of the country

the discussion needs to go to the centre not the extrees

Here’s a strong Leave voice coherently arguing ‘it’s a shitshow, we need a rethink’

www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/i-was-strong-brexiteer-now-we-must-swallow-our-pride-and-think-again/