Which Remain voices do you think have the most impact?

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I sometimes listen to James OBrien who, whilst I do agree with him on Brexit, strikes me as someone who is more likely to entrench a Leaver in their views. The way that he speaks over and laughs at Leave callers is quite uncomfortable listening at times and I think feeds the view that Remainers are patronising, arrogant and think all Leavers are stupid.

I have to say that I like Alastair Campbell on the subject (yes, I know!).

David Lammy has also been fantastic

Who else do you think helps, or damages the attempt to shift the public opinion towards Remain?

I think there are two audiences, people who are already engaged in the Brexit debate, and less politically engaged members of the general public.

I think for the first group - leavers or undecideds who are genuinely interested in the issues - then the most influential voices have been leavers who have jumped ship, or people seen as not having a dog in the fight. Actually I think some Times and Telegraph political correspondants, people like Sam Coates and Peter Foster, have done a good job of communicating the issues - even though I would never give their employers a penny of my money.

For the second group, leavers and "don't knows" who get their news from headlines, tabloids and the BBC, I don't really know whether anyone is being very effective right now tbh! Lammy has been very good but is he not preaching to the converted? Maybe John Major if I was pushed to name someone.

At the moment - no one.
Major's premiership was destroyed by the Bastards going on about Europe, so he lacks the authority with the Tory party.
Blair's efforts with the GFA were destroyed by his going to war in Iraq, so his authority is destroyed also.
Heseltine and Clarke both are well passed their heydays now.
I would like to say Starmer and Grieve, but I don't think their voices are strong enough.

Actually there are also a couple of TV journalists who have done a good job, Faisal Islam and Krishnan Guru-murthy.

Rolling out Blair to speak on this subject is the best way to make levers even more stubborn, same for James o Brian or most remain lbc presenters.

I can't think of anyone really.

Johnson doing a complete about turn because he knows that Brexit is the losing side, would be IMO the only one who could swing it.

Grieve: too technocratic

There is a good thread on twitter this morning (by a leaver turned remainer) about how Brexit is about simplism: the belief that complex things are easy because "how hard can it be?" Grieve does not appeal, at all, to people who think like this.

Starmer has been useless in terms of moving public opinion, although we may one day acknowledge that he played a big role in gradually shifting views inside the labour leadership.

Nicki Morgan, Anna Soubry, Yvette Cooper, Nicola Sturgeon.
Led by Donkeys is all the rage at moment.
Owen Smith is still high profile. George Monb. in Guardian.
Brian Cox has almost 3 million followers on Twitter.
Femi tweets good stuff.
Richard Branson hasn't high full profile, but gets attention.
Evie & Larry .

Gary Linekar, Brian Cox, Jess Phillips and LedbyDonkeys.

Also all the voices calling for hard Brexit - I think Steve Barclay andMark Francois are massive turn off for many, plus the obvious self interest of the very wealthy (JRM, Viscount Ridley and Dominic Lawson).

This is the problem.

The right have the best marketing (and the surge of the right has been a concerted marketing effort across borders, using the Internet, into which millions and millions has been invested).

The right understand the Internet, and how to exploit it, and literally millions is still being poured into doing that, completely unchallenged.

Trump, Brexit, Robinson, UKIP, conspiracy theory becoming fact... These things didn’t happen because of rational debate. It was largely online algorithmic marketing.

The right have tested their message using modern tools, looked at the data, iterated it, tested it again.

They know very well which messages work, which buttons are effective, because they’ve seen the data.

You can’t beat that with rational debate. It’s Goebells on steroids.

I think those who voted leave but have now changed their minds can be the most persuasive. I have heard a few of these ex-leavers speaking to James O'Brien, but I suspect few leave voters listen to his show.

Margaret Beckett, in the past week.
Mark Carney, but he’s one of the experts who gets “poo-poohed” by leavers.
Krishnan Guru Murthy, who is getting belligerent and quite rightly so, calling out misinformation.
The Tory Party generally is doing a great job of showing what an impossible task this all is. If I were Theresa May, I’d have come clean about how damaging Brexit is to the country well before now.

Deborah Meaden is engaging, direct and clear.
Gavin Esler’s Twitter is thought-provoking, witty and interesting.

I thought Alistair Campbell was good on any questions the week before last. But he is tainted by Iraq.

Tom Watson comes across well to me. I like Jess Phillips telling it like it is.

But led by donkeys are by far the best I think. They're not trying to present all the same arguments, but just giving people the chance to compare the unicorns they were promised to the reality.

Alex Andreou said on remainiacs that if you try and get someone to essentially admit they were conned, it's going to put their backs up and make them cling to their vote, because there's not a single person out there who likes to admit they were had.

What matters is what box they tick in the privacy of the polling booth. If they tell all their friends they were betrayed and they're going to vote leave again, but then tick remain. That's a win.

Shelagh fogerty is very good and faced off a man inciting violence about Brexit the other day with calm and reasonable conversation.
She doesn't go on and on either like James tends to ( about himself too much ) Sticks to the facts.
John major was good last week on tv : he might swing the conservatives that are not the right wing types.

Another vote for Femi on Twitter.

@femi_sorry

I save his tweets as my ammo, because he clearly expresses what my enraged brain cannot formulate, and also knows facts!

None because most leavers aren't paying attention to the names listed above. Views are too entrenched.

Ledbydonkeys is an excellent campaign but it probably just pisses leavers off because nobody likes being fooled.

Definitely not the naked ones. Why do remainders keep stripping off? There is actually a very good argument to be made for remaining but no remainers actually seem to be aware of it. Most of the remainders you come across are either naked or hysterical woth their grief over loss of EU ‘citizenship’ or both. It’s not really conducive to a rational discussion.

Ledbydonkeys is an excellent campaign but it probably just pisses leavers off because nobody likes being fooled.

I now tend to agree, although it's useful ammunition when Leavers come onto these threads and tell us that no one said it would be easy. They quite clearly did.

I think LedByDonkeys is quite good at targeting the undecided, people who voted leave and still havent switched to remain, but who can see it's turned into a farce. I think nothing will work to convince hard core leavers but there are people who just want it to stop and need a reason to back away from the leave viewpoint. Pointing out how politicians have lied gives them a reason.

But I think the bigger objective for LBD is to improve accountability and that's more of a long term thing.

I think Jeremy Clarkson voted Remain. I know he's not a BBC chap anymore but I kind of wish he stuck his neck out for Remain. He'd counter the Farage nonsense by being just as silly, just as noisy about patriotism, Churchill and all that but recognising it's better to be inside pissing out than outside trying to piss in.

Jeremy clarkson was ' call me dave's' friend and part of the chipping norton set. Of course he voted remain!

Deborah Meadon
Ian Dunt
Jessica Simor
Gary Lineker
David Lammy

Betty Boothroyd

I can't think of a single leave voice that I consider intelligent t and worthy of respect.

Danny Dyer voted leave and is now remain I think?