Westminstenders: The Bill Cash Appreciation Society

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We've had a new thread pretty much everyday for the last week or so, so I'm short on inspiration.

There haven't been too many new developments today. There have been two ministerial resignations. Both were ministers close to Boris Johnson.

We had a vote to add an extension if we still have no deal agreed at the end of next week to the Withdrawal Bill. May has said she will do this anyway; this would merely tie her hands. It passed by 5 votes. It now is fast tracked to the committee stage and third reading.

A business of the house amendment by Benn to secure a debate and Indicative Vote 3 next week failed after a speakers vote. Bercow followed convention and didn't create a majority where there was not one (though under Erskine May he is free to do the opposite at his discretion).

Corbyn has met May for talks which have been described as construction, though we have no further details though curiously Emily Thornberry put out a statement demanding a ref on whatever was decided which suggests Corbyn isn't keen on the idea. Rumours are of Schrodingers Customs Union: somehow being in a union but not a union. It can't be called a customs union. And Liam Fox has said Corbyn can't have his union. Though he may have a vested interest as he loses his job if Corbyn gets his way.

Oh and the Commons photocopier broke so no one knows what is currently supposed to be happening.

Otherwise it's been a quiet day, all things considered. Too quiet?

This made me laugh, not sure who's quote that was but it's on a game I play

Politicians are like diapers, they both need changing regularly and for the same reason

Simon Usherwood @usherwood
So the TM pitch will likely have to be: "give me an extension because I'm in negotiation with LAB, which'll unlock MV4/WAIB to complete by 22/5".

EU will not buy that, in absence of any vote to back it up

Scene set for scenes [sic]

This is the plan isn't it?

He was a person first and an illegal immigrant second.

Ah, but MN logic (remember the isolation booths thread) does have a non-negligible view that if you are an illegal immigrant, you aren't a person. The moronic "criminals lose human rights" soundbite beloved of the criminally stupid.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/aug/05/child-separation-migrant-parents-uk-hostile-environment-trump

Dear god in heaven. What the hell have we become.

So the TM pitch will likely have to be: "give me an extension because I'm in negotiation with LAB, which'll unlock MV4/WAIB to complete by 22/5".

Maybe she's playing some sort of board game and gets a double fuck-up score if she can blame the EU and Corbyn simultaneously ?

Of course a Corbyn crashing down in flames having "ruined Brexit" is a handy tagline for the election we aren't having.

Interesting pension stats woman but not quite what was suggested earlier. "Relative poverty" is the measure so not directly comparable country to country - you would need to factor in UK relatively high average income but then adjust for equally relatively high cost of living. However outright home ownership is now higher in the over 75s than in the under 34s iirc so they have markedly lower cost of living. It is actually very difficult to compare.

Interesting and surprising that our over 80s are relatively so much fatter than the rest of the World.

susan That poor woman
The Home Office is evil

Another way to get rid of people who can no longer work:
find some way to deport them, dig up some vestige of furrin in the family tress

The Home Office is evil

How dare you cast aspersions on people who are just doing their jobs !!!!!!!

No DGR I think the gamble is WA versus Revoke and try to make the ERG and DUP blink - doesn't look like they will or ERG might but not DUP and even Labour Brexiters will surely think twice about saving her bacon even at the risk of Revoke disgruntlement. Revoke gets rid of the whole PV debate for Labour and they can blame TM.

remember the isolation booths thread

Of course, silly me, some people are more equal than others. After all what does the education of a child with SEN matter, compared to the education of the rest of the class. Wasn't it Gove who ditched 'every child matters'?

And if that child then can't gain employment or falls into a gang they can be further punished by UC or prison.

This scaremongering and whipping up panic is not helping anyone
It's a Guardian Headline, not a tweet.

That poor man with kidney disease, deported to die, because there is no dialysis where he is being sent

Cold-blooded murder
and those knowing this, yet facilitating the deportation, are acessories to murder

Bit of a stretch but I can't think who else to ask right now - Any one looked into refrigerated medicines manufactured in the USA in relation to no deal? And does anyone know if we're buying something ready made from the US does it go to an EU country then disbursed across the EU or does each indivdual country purchase direct from the US?

It is important to remember that policies may be evil, or inhumane or simply unkind but that doesn't mean the people undertaking them will be.
I remember working in social services when a policy came out that we weren't meant to give food parcels to failed asylum seekers even if they had dc. A fellow SW asked me what they should do and I said we would just keep handing them out, no one was really going to notice or complain seriously to us. That was very difficult for the other SW, who truly wanted to help these people but as they were on a visa from another country that they truly feared being sent back too.( rightly so) didn't feel able to challenge formal policy.
We all know following orders as a defense has limits but it isn't always straightforward.

OECD: UK has lowest state pension of any developed country. Britain's workers can look forward to the worst state pension of any major country, according to a report by the developed world's leading economic thinktank

OECD: UK has lowest state pension of any developed country

www.theguardian.com/money/2017/dec/05/oecd-uk-has-lowest-state-pension-of-any-developed-country

It's a Guardian headline. howabout

It was me that asked for stats, so thanks woman19. Very sobering reading indeed.

It is important to remember that policies may be evil, or inhumane or simply unkind but that doesn't mean the people undertaking them will be.

Of course. As I said. They are just following orders doing their jobs.

oops - reflex posting - didn't RTFP [embarrassed]

I wonder if he was our pp babooshka, what with the comments about the maths? It's like some leavers are caricatures of leavers. Mark Francois is another.

Sadly, I think there’s more than one of them out there!

Don’t know why (I do) but all week, whenever Mark Francois has reared his head, it’s made me think of a great line from last week’s Derry Girls:

‘Who put 50p in the eejit?’

Guardian - say no more. That said none of their Right Wing competitors are any more nuanced so I suppose they would argue fighting fire with fire.

I have a sneaking suspicion my name is on a list, somewhere.

Reply from my MP - who I emailed yesterday ...

I am fully supportive of the public having the final say on any agreed Brexit deal. I was very pleased be able to sponsor and vote in favour of the Beckett-Kyle-Wilson amendment last week and to support the Kyle motion proposing a confirmatory public vote again on Monday. It is disappointing that these amendments did not reach a majority. However, they were clearly very popular options amongst MPs - importantly, they were significantly more popular than Theresa May's deal, each time that it has been voted on.

I know that during recent talks with the Prime Minister, Jeremy Corbyn has raised the prospect of a confirmatory vote on any agreed deal. As was to be expected, the Prime Minister remained resistant to this proposal. However, please be assured that I will continue to fight alongside my Labour colleagues to ensure that the public are given the final say on our departure from the EU. I will not support any Brexit deal unless there are guarantees that it will be ratified by the public.

I am struggling with how angry I am with my family at the moment.

amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/apr/04/northern-ireland-faces-prospect-of-no-deal-brexit-milk-lake?CMP=share_btn_tw&__twitter_impression=true
Northern Ireland faces prospect of no-deal Brexit ‘milk lake’
EU official confirms farmers may be unable to sell milk to buyers in Irish Republic from ‘day one’

If we are net importers of milk and NI is going to end up with a glut of it, what does that say about how much milk production and how large shortages in the rest of the country will be?

Bingo, howabout I was waiting for exactly that reply. I win a cake.

Jo Maugham's gone all James Patrick.

@JolyonMaugham
And all the signs are that that's exactly what she's choosing to do. Isn't this exactly what you'd say today if you were her and had decided to go for No Deal?Jo Maugham QC added,

@bbclaurak
Session finished now and nothing's been planned for Monday ,which means no indicative votes then, and senior sources indicating it's more likely PM will go to Brussels next week still in talks with Corbyn, than having had more votes

nothing's been planned for Monday
They're not sitting tomorrow?

You can hear the water flooding into the HOC in this fake news Guardian article.

Sadly, Mrs May, may have to (formally) announce the closure of Parliament.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/apr/04/house-of-commons-suspended-water-pours-through-ceiling

Think the Brexiteers are bad? Meet the Brincels

Spawned from an unholy mating between Brexiters and Incels
Characterised by extreme stupidity, a martyr complex - and usually a hatred of women

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/apr/04/brexit-brexiteers-brincels-ultras-war-martyrdom

This subset of Brexit ultras is revelling in their moment in the spotlight to deploy metaphors of war and martyrdom