Westminstenders: The Bill Cash Appreciation Society

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We've had a new thread pretty much everyday for the last week or so, so I'm short on inspiration.

There haven't been too many new developments today. There have been two ministerial resignations. Both were ministers close to Boris Johnson.

We had a vote to add an extension if we still have no deal agreed at the end of next week to the Withdrawal Bill. May has said she will do this anyway; this would merely tie her hands. It passed by 5 votes. It now is fast tracked to the committee stage and third reading.

A business of the house amendment by Benn to secure a debate and Indicative Vote 3 next week failed after a speakers vote. Bercow followed convention and didn't create a majority where there was not one (though under Erskine May he is free to do the opposite at his discretion).

Corbyn has met May for talks which have been described as construction, though we have no further details though curiously Emily Thornberry put out a statement demanding a ref on whatever was decided which suggests Corbyn isn't keen on the idea. Rumours are of Schrodingers Customs Union: somehow being in a union but not a union. It can't be called a customs union. And Liam Fox has said Corbyn can't have his union. Though he may have a vested interest as he loses his job if Corbyn gets his way.

Oh and the Commons photocopier broke so no one knows what is currently supposed to be happening.

Otherwise it's been a quiet day, all things considered. Too quiet?

Maugham was cross about the Cherry motion falling. That could have saved us.

If ratification of the Cooper bill is delayed, there's this.........

@ProfMarkElliott
An interesting thought on the Cooper Bill: @JolyonMaugham suggests that if Government sought Art 50 extension before Bill came into force, Bill could be side-stepped (albeit that PM would have to move motion and make further application under Bill).Mark Elliott added,
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@JolyonMaugham
If you envisage the Bill becoming law it seems to me still to be open to the Government entirely to sidestep the Bill by making an application for an extension of time now - before the Bill takes effect - which application would not be caught by the Act. 2 and seven eighths/3

In terms of careering towards a Crash Out, nothing has changed

On that lady facing deportation Susan I am now lost for words.

Guy Verhofstadt @guyverhofstadt

Quite something to see the White Cliffs of Dover turn blue. But the European project is much more than a lifebuoy. It's our rock on which we have to build our future, especially in turbulent times.

This was in response to the Led By Donkey's SOS message. They aren't going to save us if it causes any detriment to themselves.

I remember watching a programme following people who were being deported.

The one man was on dialysis and the morning of his flight his nurse gave him enough meds to keep him going for a week. She told him to go to a hospital as soon as he arrived to arrange his dialysis. He just looked at her and said there is no dialysis where I'm going.

It really upset me because my dad died of kidney failure.

susan that makes me want to cry. To uproot someone that vulnerable is a whole new level of heartlessness. God help this country.

Charlotte Vere @ charlottev
Well, I've organised the Whips rota until 6.30am tomorrow morning. I can't go later/earlier … no more space on the whiteboard :)

The Tory Lords Whips are planning to go until 6.30am tomorrow to filibuster and defeat the Cooper Bill.

Like I said earlier woman. Yesterday was purely an exercise in grandstanding. Yvette has gone down in my estimation considerably since her time in Cabinet - still more interested in upstaging the Leadership than working for the Party. FWIW I am an Andy Burnham fan (and not just based purely on looks)

Just read your latest post Susan. That’s unspeakable. My mother had kidney failure and my father had Alzheimer’s - words fail me.

No Deal is only the preference of 26%, but would narrowly beat Remain in a 2-way vote

I can't see how that conclusion's been reached, or even anything that suggests that. What have I not noticed?

RTB
But are the Lords not rather harder to Whip than the commons - having already got their comfy chairs ?
I'll be interested to see how the Bishops vote on this ....

Leaked file shows stark contrasts for Britons in EU after no-deal Brexit Exclusive: Austria and Denmark say requests to stay may be rejected on security grounds

The British government’s attitude to the 3.3 million EU nationals living in the UK is said to be a key factor in how some member states will treat UK citizens

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/apr/04/leaked-file-shows-stark-contrasts-for-britons-in-eu-after-no-deal-brexit

Just out of court on a case where the Home Office wants to remove a 78 year old woman with Advanced Alzheimer’s Dementia

There are poorly people who are UK in EU..........

Pension Stats for someone who asked upthread. From 2017.
www.oecd.org/unitedkingdom/PAG2017-GBR.pdf

Sorry Susan. I meant to send you these . I know how that would have made you feel. Although it was what ultimately killed her (though perhaps indirectly was through a chain reaction) my mother battled kidney failure for 13 years with dialysis three times a week. It’s a gruelling illness to endure and entirely compromises the quality of life of the patient.

Watching your father suffer would have been so very hard for you, as would Watching that poor man being sent to his fate.

Sorry - typo - it was not what ultimately killed her.

Susan for your father. I've stopped posting about what's going on in deportation centres, but there's a high mortality rate. It is too upsetting, but also too important to ignore.

Sadly for every poster here, horrified by the news Susan posted, we know there will be a few people - in the UK - who will just think (a) good job too (b) let's get rid of a lot more.

This is what happens when you get complacent about Britain somehow being different to the rest of the world ...

"Decrease the surplus population"

How very dickensian.

I actually cant cope with this much longer, susans posts have made me wonder what the fuck we have become... going out into the garden to get aggressive with some weeds I think.

Once you start looking at immigration cases you realise just how precious it is if you are a citizen who was born in this country.

There are some awfully sad cases.

One woman was heading to her home office appointment (single mother) and explained to them beforehand that it was her 3 year old's first settling in day at nursery. I believe they gave her assurances not to worry and they would be accommodating for future appointments.

At the appointment they took her phone placed her in detention and no one picked up her child from nursery and the child was taken into care.

I believe the mother was separated from her child for a month. I understand she did not speak to her child for 5 days. Her child has some long term issues which seem only natural for example there were real issues when the child started school.
They are not meant to separate children from single parents. I think this case was only in the media because the mother somehow eventually won.

I don't want to give the link as I am paranoid about saying anything negative about Home office. They have a tremendous reach. Data protection does not apply to the home office if you are an immigrant.

Leaked file shows stark contrasts for Britons in EU after no-deal Brexit Exclusive: Austria and Denmark say requests to stay may be rejected on security grounds

Ah. I've found the article. It says:

“Some member states (Austria, Denmark) remind that dangers to public order or security may be considered as grounds for refusal under national law,” the document says.

If you're going to be/are a security risk/criminal element, they won't let you stay. Not quite the same as the tweet which implies just being British is a security risk.

This scaremongering and whipping up panic is not helping anyone.

Maybe a British born person could post it - it is a very scary case

Thanks for all the flowers, it was a long time ago now, but the care he received was brilliant and his nurse consultant was more like a friend.

I agree DGRossetti there are people out there who would be pleased he was gone, so long as he wasn't 'sponging' off the NHS. I presume he was here illegally, but imo deporting someone who will die without healthcare is immoral. He was a person first and an illegal immigrant second.

Another SP being shafted by UC at the food bank today.

So fucking depressing.

Data protection does not apply to the home office if you are an immigrant.
Now you know why I got my UK passport after the first couple of years of TM at the Home Office

This scaremongering and whipping up panic is not helping anyone.

Unless you are going to call out some of the news posted here as fake, I think discussion is actually remarkably low key.

"Decrease the surplus population"

Turkeys and Christmas spring to mind. I'm still waiting for the penny to drop in the Tory heartlands.