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Westminstenders: The May Compromise

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RedToothBrush · 02/04/2019 19:20

After a marathon cabinet meeting, which no one seems to have resigned from, May has had another podium moment.

This time instead of blaming everyone but herself, she's gone for the 'let's compromise approach' to Corbyn.

This comes after Nick Boles crossed the floor saying his side wasn't prepared to compromise on anything after May secretly whipped on a 'free' vote against him.

May also said she we needed more of an extension to the 22nd May but without promise of EU elections this means No Deal inevitable if May can't pass the WA by then. Provided EU allow an extension until then without EU elections.

She also hinted at respecting a majority idea over indicative votes, if she and Corbyn fail to agree - remembering she tried successfully to sabotage that last night.

Already many are saying this is a trap to ensnare others into the mess that is Brexit in the blame game. With no deal ultimately the end goal.

The idea that May can find a compromise with Corbyn seems a fantasy.

And the EU might have every reason to refuse a longer extension under the circumstances.

For May to compromise she surely would have to break the Tories to do it as Labour will only go for a soft option which is unacceptable to the ERG. Unless her idea of compromise is simply its the WA or No deal which it seems hard to conceive Labour going near with the realistic prospect of the next PM being a hardliner.

All in all it seems more likely to be a framing exercise in damage limitation rather than something which has more substance and a realistic prospect of working. And if that's really the case, it certainly would explain why no one's resigned yet.

Indicative Votes 3 and a pretty dodgy Cooper Amendment designed to be a last ditch attempt to prevent no deal are both scheduled.

Its desparation stakes and the EU more or less have us down as a failed state. And the pro Brexit bombs don't really add much optimist to the mood.

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PostNotInHaste · 02/04/2019 21:49

Let's see if she chickens out again, or is toppled, before we celebrate possible sanity returning to politics though
Anything could still happen

I completely agree with this. Time and time again there’s the feeling that progress has been made and things might just be ok but it never lasts long. There will be lots of talks behind closed doors going on and who knows what will come out of them.

The80sweregreat · 02/04/2019 21:50

Maybe this is Mays revenge on the ones that have been ' thorn in her side' since she took the job they didn't want. Revenge is acdish best served cold and this has been 2.5 years in the making.
Interesting thought process. She has nothing to lose when you think about it.
If she's given the boot ( which they can't do but I could be wrong?) or resigns it's not a huge deal : a holiday and retirement beckons and Phil still has a very good job / money/ connections etc. She can write the memoirs later. She's got a good pension coming too.
Life could be worse!

BigChocFrenzy · 02/04/2019 21:50

born I agree that both May & Corbyn genuinely want to avoid No Deal, coming from totally different perspectives

I also agree that those of us about to retire can make bold decisions that younger people - with careers still ahead of them - would avoid.

Motheroffourdragons · 02/04/2019 21:50

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RedToothBrush · 02/04/2019 21:51

Oh hello. What do we have here?

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EweSurname · 02/04/2019 21:54

The Independent
@Independent
'There was the Prime Minister, just a girl, standing in front of a boy, asking him to smash up his party so she didn't have to smash up hers'

TatianaLarina · 02/04/2019 21:54

^The majority of Labour might Revoke if they were free to do so
but 160 Tories not only demand Brexit, but the No Deal version of it^

The MP actually said the majority of MPs not the majority of Labour. I’m factoring out the hardcore headbanger No Dealers - but those are not the majority in Parliament.

The minister in the FT pointedly claimed that some who big up No Deal in public are actually shit-scared of it in private.

CurlyWurlyTwirly · 02/04/2019 21:55

I live in France and follow a Facebook called RIFT (remain France together). One of the members posted this an hour ago. The Tories are obviously testing the waters for a general election.

Because of Brexit and the uncertainty over freedom of movement, I have had to return to London and sadly live in Ian Duncan Smith's constituency, overwhelmingly tory and as I'm sure you know, he's a hard Brexiter. This evening, the phone rang, it was a market research company seeking views about IDS with regards to Brexit. I gave it to them both barrels, but it was very obvious from the way that the questions were phrased, that the conservative party is planning in case of a general election (how would I vote in a GE? What are my views on IDS throughout the Brexit process? The backstop? Jeremy Corbyn? Sadiq Khan etc etc.

Halfway through I twigged the whole thing was to weigh up public opinion for the Conservatives and I asked directly. The girl said yes the research had been commissioned by those bastards and apologised for not telling me at the outset but said that it might have an effect on my answers. At the end, I asked if I could make comments that would be recorded and fed back to IDS and she said I could. So I did. I really did, a lot. But sounded to me as though they were running scared by the questions.

67chevvyimpala · 02/04/2019 21:55

I go out for the evening and you get to 9 pages!

Stilltalkstotrees · 02/04/2019 21:56

Miles behind on this thread already! I resigned my LD membership today. Quite sad as saying goodbye to some good friends (yes, I know I can still see them but I won’t be working with them anymore). I left the local PV group too. I’ve had enough at the moment - for the state of my sanity I need to step back.

Will still lurk here but less often.

user1471429825 · 02/04/2019 21:57

Big Totally agree but bad negotiators could make it even worse and prolong everyone’s misery whilst they run around looking for someone else to pin the blame on my moneys on the EU. Meanwhile the true architects of this mess Farage et al give a running commentary from the sidelines about how things shoul have been done.......

BigChocFrenzy · 02/04/2019 21:58

Looks like adults like Hammond, Rudd, Liddington - and even Gove - have now taken over management of this from the Tory side

and Starmer for Labour

They should be efficient enough together to plan an EP election vote in time

  • now let's see how many votes Labour loyalists plus Tory rebels can muster

Also, will other parties support this, especially the SNP, Tiggers, LDems ?
I'd be pretty disgusted if they don't
Last Chance Saloon here

If the EP vote isn't by a sustantial margin, then I won't rate the chances of any eventual deal being approved
Let's hope for a big win

TatianaLarina · 02/04/2019 21:58

She was hoping Parliament would blink and vote for the WA

She was also hoping the EU would blink.

But they’ve played a blinder. They said bring it on No Deal if you think you’re hard enough.

And she wasn’t.

67chevvyimpala · 02/04/2019 22:00

Oh that's interesting twirly!

SusanWalker · 02/04/2019 22:00

If I'm giving May the benefit of the doubt, then perhaps she's finally realised that there is no talking to or negotiating with the hardcore brexit nutjobs.

I saw a leaver tell Marcus Fysh on twitter that Fysh was a remainer because he supports the Malthouse (unicorns on steroids) compromise. There are some people for whom nothing will be good enough until we've gone all GDR and built a fucking wall.

67chevvyimpala · 02/04/2019 22:01

That's interesting twirly!

TatianaLarina · 02/04/2019 22:01

I bloody hope they ring me Curly.

I will be prepared. 😈

PortiaCastis · 02/04/2019 22:03

Meanwhile the English Democrats need help apparently

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/3549603-BREAKING-NEWS-ON-BREXIT

BigChocFrenzy · 02/04/2019 22:04

red Why can't / don't the Ecuadorian embassy just kick Assange out on his dirty arse ? Confused
He sounds the house guest from hell, what with his hygeine fails and now his hacking

From your Assange link:

Mr. Assange has violated the agreement we reached with him and his legal counsel too many times,"
Moreno said in the interview in the city of Guayaquil.

"It is not that he cannot speak and express himself freely, but he cannot lie, nor much less hack private accounts or phones."

TatianaLarina · 02/04/2019 22:05

Robert Peston @Peston

According to ministers, defining issue was that if there was a no-deal Brexit “we’d have to go to direct rule in Northern Ireland” says one. “Disaster. Huge risk. Of all legacies, the break-up of the Union [of the UK], the worst for a PM. She’ll never do no deal now”. And...

am told that “Andrea [Leadsom] requested that we go ahead with the risk of direct rule but call it something else”.

🤣

Jesus wept.

The80sweregreat · 02/04/2019 22:06

Well, Jeremy Corbyn was pretty good tonight being interviewed. I think they all realise something has to be sorted out.
Fingers crossed they don't throw a strop.
The cabinet must have agreed all this too.

67chevvyimpala · 02/04/2019 22:07

Walls are very popular with fascists, aren't they?

I'd look very askance at any mp who had wall building companies in their portfolios bound to be one or two erg twats who ejaculate everytime trump mentions his bloody wall

PinkieTuscadero · 02/04/2019 22:08

Andrea fucking Leadsom. What a fuckwit.

TokyoSushi · 02/04/2019 22:11

PMK

BigChocFrenzy · 02/04/2019 22:12

Guy Verhofstadtt@guyverhofstadt*

Good that PM @theresa_mayy^ is looking for a cross-party compromise.

Better late than never.

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