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Westminstenders: The May Compromise

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RedToothBrush · 02/04/2019 19:20

After a marathon cabinet meeting, which no one seems to have resigned from, May has had another podium moment.

This time instead of blaming everyone but herself, she's gone for the 'let's compromise approach' to Corbyn.

This comes after Nick Boles crossed the floor saying his side wasn't prepared to compromise on anything after May secretly whipped on a 'free' vote against him.

May also said she we needed more of an extension to the 22nd May but without promise of EU elections this means No Deal inevitable if May can't pass the WA by then. Provided EU allow an extension until then without EU elections.

She also hinted at respecting a majority idea over indicative votes, if she and Corbyn fail to agree - remembering she tried successfully to sabotage that last night.

Already many are saying this is a trap to ensnare others into the mess that is Brexit in the blame game. With no deal ultimately the end goal.

The idea that May can find a compromise with Corbyn seems a fantasy.

And the EU might have every reason to refuse a longer extension under the circumstances.

For May to compromise she surely would have to break the Tories to do it as Labour will only go for a soft option which is unacceptable to the ERG. Unless her idea of compromise is simply its the WA or No deal which it seems hard to conceive Labour going near with the realistic prospect of the next PM being a hardliner.

All in all it seems more likely to be a framing exercise in damage limitation rather than something which has more substance and a realistic prospect of working. And if that's really the case, it certainly would explain why no one's resigned yet.

Indicative Votes 3 and a pretty dodgy Cooper Amendment designed to be a last ditch attempt to prevent no deal are both scheduled.

Its desparation stakes and the EU more or less have us down as a failed state. And the pro Brexit bombs don't really add much optimist to the mood.

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Icantreachthepretzels · 03/04/2019 16:56

Has the JC/TM meeting finished? I thought they were meeting at half 2 for an hour - but I can't find anything that says they've come out or reached/ failed to reach an agreement.

And then I've seen a picture of the other lot in Westminster hall making a statement - but not heard what it was...

what's happening?

DGRossetti · 03/04/2019 16:57

If Corbyn wants May to stay, then he reverses the tactic. Gently suggest that her going is the price of his deal. Force the Tories to keep her just to avoid the appearance that they agree with him.

EweSurname · 03/04/2019 16:57

Pippa Crerar
@PippaCrerar
👀 Just bumped into Jeremy Corbyn on his way back from talks with the PM. He told me the two-hour sit down had gone "very well" and that he expected further talks with the PM soon

MaudBaileysGreenTurban · 03/04/2019 16:58

Is nobody saying anything?

Nadine Dorries is speaking.

So, no.

Icantreachthepretzels · 03/04/2019 16:58

I'm sure she'd already said she wouldn't stand in any GE anyway. Even before her offer to go last week.

She said she wouldn't lead them into the 2022 election. Just like she said she would stand down if her deal passed. When it comes to Theresa - the devil is in the details.

MockerstheFeManist · 03/04/2019 16:59

Sounds like the head pigs playing cards and drinking with Farmer Jones.

DGRossetti · 03/04/2019 17:01

Just a reminder about how horribly and surprisingly close to the present some history can be:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-47791828

Last slave taken to the US who died in 1937 traced through records.

"History Detectives" once traced a bill of sale of a slave - a human being - in an episode. Quite sobering and upsetting.

RedToothBrush · 03/04/2019 17:01

Actually I thought Dorries was interesting.

Allie Rennison @ allierension
Interesting to watch @NadineDorries distance herself from both Remainers + no-dealer's in the Commons this afternoon - "there are people on these benches who want only and nothing but to pursue the holy grail of a no-deal.." (also singles out Tory MPs wanting no-Brexit too natch)

Dorries is not exactly what you'd calla Tory moderate

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Justanothermile · 03/04/2019 17:01

Ah, I see!

prettybird · 03/04/2019 17:02

By the way DGR - Nicola is ours Grin

You cannae have her Grin

But we will loan her out occasionally to give advice Wink

Icantreachthepretzels · 03/04/2019 17:03

Just bumped into Jeremy Corbyn on his way back from talks with the PM. He told me the two-hour sit down had gone "very well" and that he expected further talks with the PM soon

so... do the plebs get to hear any details - or are we just expected to trust that our betters have in it hand?

woman19 · 03/04/2019 17:03

Smile chevvy So, does it look like WA will go through now?

RedToothBrush · 03/04/2019 17:03

Mark Carney wades in once again

news.sky.com/story/mark-carney-risk-of-no-deal-brexit-now-alarmingly-high-11683173
Mark Carney: Risk of no-deal Brexit now 'alarmingly high'
The Bank of England governor tells Sky News "real progress"has been made preparing for its worst case scenario for the economy.

Mark Carney has told Sky News the risk of a no-deal Brexit is now "alarmingly high", branding suggestions it could be managed as "absolute nonsense".

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BigChocFrenzy · 03/04/2019 17:04

George Parker@GeorgeWParker

Potentially good news, frazzled SW1 types:

Tory whips are telling MPs this afternoon that they don't have to be here on Friday:

ie there won't be another round of meaningful/meaningless/indicative votes
< at least not on Friday >

LouiseCollins28 · 03/04/2019 17:05

Thanks for the offer but no thanks, you can keep Nicola in Scotland

tobee · 03/04/2019 17:06

Division!

BigChocFrenzy · 03/04/2019 17:07

woman 😋

oh and like all large rodents, I can live off cheese indefinitely
Melted cheese, 😋
and I love melted choc too - I leave my Lindt on the radiator before indulging

MaudBaileysGreenTurban · 03/04/2019 17:08

Thanks for the offer but no thanks, you can keep Nicola in Scotland

Quite right too, we don't want any of those smart, incisive, thoughtful types who have the best interests of their country at heart down here. This is Engerland don'tcha know. We prefer buffoons, toffs and small red-faced shouty men.

Littlespaces · 03/04/2019 17:09

There's the problem Littlespaces wink - the unicorn is Scotland's national animal, so it's working as a 5th columnist grin

I really want them to demand that their unicorn is returned now.

tobee · 03/04/2019 17:09

Feel like we're getting a bit blaze about these divisions now.

Groundhog Day "blah blah blah" wall to wall Brexiteers

Division

Debate wall to wall moderates. Brexiteers nowhere to be seen. Off plotting/boozing/eating/having a fag???

67chevvyimpala · 03/04/2019 17:11

maud 😁✊

Littlespaces · 03/04/2019 17:11

@IanDunt

Juncker rejects May appeal for short Brexit delay, but quite clear longer one in offer.

Littlespaces · 03/04/2019 17:13

The sad thing is that England has a huge number of moderate tolerant people who are being given a shit reputation by these idiots.

Pisses me off.

RedToothBrush · 03/04/2019 17:13

Pippa Crerar@pippacrerar
Lots of rumours going round that febrile Tory MPs want to depose the PM as soon as possible. How? "They're looking at all the options and are willing to try anything they can," says one MP.

Lots of rumours going round that febrile Tory MPs want to depose the PM as soon as possible. How? "They're looking at all the options and are willing to try anything they can," says one MP.

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RedToothBrush · 03/04/2019 17:14

Pippa Crerar@pippacrerar
One cabinet minister thinks a Labour no confidence vote in Govt wouldn't work. "There are a lot of independent MPs in the Commons just now. If they vote against the Government.. and trigger an election they'd lose their seats. They don't want that, so they may well abstain."

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