Westminstenders: The May Compromise

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After a marathon cabinet meeting, which no one seems to have resigned from, May has had another podium moment.

This time instead of blaming everyone but herself, she's gone for the 'let's compromise approach' to Corbyn.

This comes after Nick Boles crossed the floor saying his side wasn't prepared to compromise on anything after May secretly whipped on a 'free' vote against him.

May also said she we needed more of an extension to the 22nd May but without promise of EU elections this means No Deal inevitable if May can't pass the WA by then. Provided EU allow an extension until then without EU elections.

She also hinted at respecting a majority idea over indicative votes, if she and Corbyn fail to agree - remembering she tried successfully to sabotage that last night.

Already many are saying this is a trap to ensnare others into the mess that is Brexit in the blame game. With no deal ultimately the end goal.

The idea that May can find a compromise with Corbyn seems a fantasy.

And the EU might have every reason to refuse a longer extension under the circumstances.

For May to compromise she surely would have to break the Tories to do it as Labour will only go for a soft option which is unacceptable to the ERG. Unless her idea of compromise is simply its the WA or No deal which it seems hard to conceive Labour going near with the realistic prospect of the next PM being a hardliner.

All in all it seems more likely to be a framing exercise in damage limitation rather than something which has more substance and a realistic prospect of working. And if that's really the case, it certainly would explain why no one's resigned yet.

Indicative Votes 3 and a pretty dodgy Cooper Amendment designed to be a last ditch attempt to prevent no deal are both scheduled.

Its desparation stakes and the EU more or less have us down as a failed state. And the pro Brexit bombs don't really add much optimist to the mood.

she's just trying to soothe them, sos
won't work as even the dimmest No Dealer can tell they've been dumped

Harry Cole@MrHarryCole

Ministers in absolute ANARCHY tonight.

Some want Mrs May gone within 24 hours.

Meanwhile backbench strike talk is back.

And also a huge amount of anger from leavers in government at the ERG.

< unpacks stock of popcorn >

Youcantscareme thanks for that 😊

Tom Newton Dunn@tnewtondunn

Excl: Tory chiefs exploring major rule change to leadership contest for party members to pick between four candidates, not just two.

Boost for Boris and dark horses.

Rupert Harrisonn@rbrharrison*

Because changing the leadership election rules clearly worked so well for the Labour Party

Maybe your right bigchoc we shall soon see.
Do you think it odd that erg and Boris using same phrase? Look at opening of Boris thread. Oh I've ranted on there too.

Because changing the leadership election rules clearly worked so well for the Labour Party

IMO they did

^^PMK

Last time I looked it was Seumas Milne @Belindabelle

They do remember the part where they can't oust her because they tried that already and failed?

At this point as she's talking compromise - if the cabinet walk out on her - she could just create a cabinet of national unity, bringing in people from all over parliament to get something over the line.

And considering the tories are in a minority govt anyway - and there are a reasonable number of soft leaver/ remain tories - any back bench rebellion is going to be limited in scope, if she's finally saying things the opposition want to hear.

They may find for all their Sturm and Drang they've been quite neatly stitched up ... and they helped out in their own stitch up by trying and failing to get rid of her in December.

The fact that he is employed by Corbyn is a strong reason for me never voting for a Corbyn led Labour Party.

I am surprised by how many think quoting professional commentators is in any way a reflection of what is going on.

This is just adding to the shit storm of a small number of people who are obsessed with personality politics and / or have a party hatchet to grind.

This self absorbed Westminister bubble is why so many people are alienated from Party Politics as most of what is discussed, as presented in the media, is self centred elitist wise cracks.

The only thing worse than westminster is the gutter that passes for reporting nowadays.

Dont every forget these are the scum who after Jo Cox was murder all starting saying how wonderful she was, and what a break through for modern MPs. But in reality none of them every reported on her.

Allowing yourself to be dragged down the rabbit hole of these predominantly priviledged white males (and that applies to all parties and reporters) little private jokes and competitive gotcha moments creates a loop of false reality, is just allowing the elite to further disenfranchise us.

The indicative votes fiasco would have made more sense if any MP had taken the obvious step of holding consultation within their constituency eg clarifying how voters feel about a or the custom union and so on.

Grandstanding about how important they are to do the right thing by the country and then saying it is the opposite of what their constituency voted for is just a further nail in the coffin of our failed democracy.

Just as whinging on about indicative voting and then both major parties whipping. For instance if Labour had allowed a free vote a public vote would have been the only indicative vote to pass.

But worse still is that none of this has been arrived at freely but has been misdirected by planning committee and bureaucrats who for instance decided who could be the "official" leave and remain campaign. eg where was the Lexiteer campaign that JC should have been leading (the left wing arguement for leaving the EU).

Then after the result, the decision that the negotiations were run on party political lines, whereas the campaign hadn't been.

I think there should be a second referendum even though I think they are a crude mechanism, because MPs (and PMs) are out of their depth and too busy scoring points, and for the long term outcome of attitudes in the country it would be better that voters decided.

Well that's us told.

Shamelessly place marking

I interpret the impending sit-down with Jeremy Corbyn as Theresa May attempting to give the DUP the heave ho.

She won't need the DUP if she can get Labour onside.

Her own reputation may be salvaged if the Brexit that happens turns out to be Labour's.

stumbledin you may not agree with the thoughts expressed here, or the thoughts of commentators quoted here, but criticising people who discuss political life on grounds that they are doing so in a bubble that is not representative is a weak stance and also anti-democratic. People here have the same right to a political opinion or to favour one commentator over another that anyone else has.

Ironically, saving the DUP from the consequences of their own stupidity and hubris might be another result of this departure.

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Sostenueto
How can she expect Corbyn to agree her deal and offer him involvement in the next process when we all know the minute the WA goes through she will resign and the next PM will just tear up agreement struck with JC.
If he doesn't meet her then he will be blamed for a no deal brexit which is her plan anyway. Blame someone else always.
If he meets her then it will be his fault for last minute deal.
The poor guy will be damned whether he does or not. The labour party will be blamed if they can't agree.

Yes, she is handing him the poisoned chalice.

He could always demand a referendum though. If she refuses she ends up looking like someone who won't listen to the people. Or someone afraid of the voice of the people.

He could always demand a referendum though. If she refuses she ends up looking like someone who won't listen to the people. Or someone afraid of the voice of the people

^ This would be great
Anyway, if they don’t agree, it goes to the House. TM specifically said that in her speech yesterday. (Although I do wonder what her real agenda is including that point. Probably more blame shifting)

. Problem is after all the indicative votes, they have shown themselves to be unable to agree. I think perhaps with the threat of a general election hanging over them, then they will start compromising. Would also like the cabinet members to vote.

To be honest; it will be the EUnwho decides; they’re the only grown ups in the room. They will have to include participation in the EU elections as a condition of extension to A50; because the EU does not appear to want a no deal Brexit, even if they say they are prepared.

Thé complete irony of the whole situation is that the EU are the only ones who have shown any leadership.

Thé only good thing about not being able to oust Theresa May, is that it puts the kibosh on a distracting Tory leadership election, when all politicians minds should be focussed on sorting out this Brexit mess.

I can honestly see her hanging on in place for months. Even if her WA is rejected, she is obsessed with delivering Brexit.

I do feel even though it is infinitesimally slow, we are creaking towards some sort of decision.

A wholly positive, supportive and encouraging email will be winging its way from me to both JC and TM today.

you may not agree with the thoughts expressed here, or the thoughts of commentators quoted here, but criticising people who discuss political life on grounds that they are doing so in a bubble that is not representative is a weak stance and also anti-democratic.

stumbledin was talking about Westminster not Westminstenders 🤔

Andrea fucking Leadsom. What a fuckwit.

Image her political epitaph. Its not going to be much different is it?

It would be complicated for Corbyn to demand another referendum though no? Notwithstanding his own personal reluctance, some of the most entrenched leave vote would be Labour voters?

This is a bit like a surreal ' who wants to a millionaire' quiz show.
Put the question
Asked the audience
Gone 50:50
Now asking a friend.
Let's hope he knows the right answer.

I am surprised by how many think quoting professional commentators is in any way a reflection of what is going on. stumbledin

That was the bit I was responding to, Bearbehind.

Hopefully this dumps reliance on DUP. But god knows where this one is going....