Westminstenders: The May Compromise

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After a marathon cabinet meeting, which no one seems to have resigned from, May has had another podium moment.

This time instead of blaming everyone but herself, she's gone for the 'let's compromise approach' to Corbyn.

This comes after Nick Boles crossed the floor saying his side wasn't prepared to compromise on anything after May secretly whipped on a 'free' vote against him.

May also said she we needed more of an extension to the 22nd May but without promise of EU elections this means No Deal inevitable if May can't pass the WA by then. Provided EU allow an extension until then without EU elections.

She also hinted at respecting a majority idea over indicative votes, if she and Corbyn fail to agree - remembering she tried successfully to sabotage that last night.

Already many are saying this is a trap to ensnare others into the mess that is Brexit in the blame game. With no deal ultimately the end goal.

The idea that May can find a compromise with Corbyn seems a fantasy.

And the EU might have every reason to refuse a longer extension under the circumstances.

For May to compromise she surely would have to break the Tories to do it as Labour will only go for a soft option which is unacceptable to the ERG. Unless her idea of compromise is simply its the WA or No deal which it seems hard to conceive Labour going near with the realistic prospect of the next PM being a hardliner.

All in all it seems more likely to be a framing exercise in damage limitation rather than something which has more substance and a realistic prospect of working. And if that's really the case, it certainly would explain why no one's resigned yet.

Indicative Votes 3 and a pretty dodgy Cooper Amendment designed to be a last ditch attempt to prevent no deal are both scheduled.

Its desparation stakes and the EU more or less have us down as a failed state. And the pro Brexit bombs don't really add much optimist to the mood.

Corbyn worked for anti apartheid, miners' strike, poll tax: hugely worthwhile causes. (as well as other causes that I deeply disagree with) His appearance on Sky earlier was pretty effective. We have to work together, with what and who we have now to ameliorate this pickle, somehow.......

Late PMK, a big Thank You to Red and the other contributors, and here's my cat's conclusion for the evening: Fed up and totally not impressed!!

pmk

Nice to be reminded of Tom Lehrer though.

Elements the deleted thread was from a English Democrat with a begging bowl, apparently theyve filed papers with the High court saying not exiting the EU last Friday was illegal and need funds for their court case .... The comments were quite pointed as we're not funding fascists

80s Under PR, extreme parties compete for votes individually and in normal times are very limited in size.
Under FPTP, the extremes infiltrate & influence the larger parties - and sometimes take them over, which is imo far more dangerous.

Under FPTP, smaller parties are penalised, especially if their votes are distributed evenly across the country, instead of being regionally concentrated.

That is what kept UKIP from getting more than 2 MPs, even at their height

Of course, there is a threshhold of about 28-32% at which such parties suddenly begin to gain large numbers of seats

However, if the far right of the Tories split off to UKIP and the Brexit party, it won't be enough to give the latter 2 a breakthrough,
but it would lose the Tories a lot of seats and keep them out of power

That's like what happened when the SDP split off from Labour in the early 1980s:

Even though the votes of Labour+ SDP Alliance exceeded 50% in the 1983 GE, the Tories won a seat landslide
Labout were kept out of power for 18 years, partly because of the split
(and partly because of the lingering effect of choosing an unelectable party leader in 1983)

Good, I see several of us reported the fascist begging thread !

1983, the longest suicide note in history

Only problem is now nobody knows which party is writing the note.

am told that “Andrea [Leadsom] requested that we go ahead with the risk of direct rule but call it something else”.

It wouldn't matter what she called it. It wouldn't fool the Irish of either N or Republic for one second.

Thanks Portia I’m glad I missed that thread!

Oh, the DUP and the ERG are furious
Always a good sign that things are improving

Gove said in interview on radio 4 that TM not dropping any red lines. Interviewer asked what's the point of meeting then?
What is the point of meeting then?
Reece Mogg churning out the real reason by repeating words used by 3 ERG members so far...' Putting Brexit in the hands of the labour party....'. .........yea total trap. Even interviewer said that too.

Spot on woman

That DUP statement... “someone whom the Conservatives have demonised for four years” is an odd turn of phrase. It reads more like a criticism on the Tories’ stance on Labour than a criticism of Labour itself, although I’m probably reading way too much into it.

The CU was not one of her specific red lines
In fact her backstop ended up being a CU

Corbyn doesn't want FOM either, so probably that red line stays

if the talks are genuine, they'd probably end up with something very like Clarke's permanent CU amendment

The question being whether Corbyn would insist on a PV - which he hates anyway

TM hasn't chickened out of no deal brexit. Her speech says so when she stated we could cope with no deal but a deal was better. That sentence which starts with ' I told you...' Is the key IMO.
If she is not prepared to drop red lines or agree to customs union ( she whipped against Boles though it was supposed to be a free vote) then there is no point to meeting. But she really is relying on JC not seeing real reason as o her deal can go through and if she doesn't or if extension not granted then its JCs fault.
TM has NOTHING to lose now, her reputation is trashed, her career is over so she's paving the way for Tories to win next election which is just around the corner.

It's the DUP who hate Corbyn the most,
because of his SInn Fein / IRA friends and to be fair his genuine belief that Ireland should be reunited

I am a bit out of touch. Who are the movers and shakers within the Labour Party. Who is the current Alastair Campbell/Malcom Tucker.

No, i don't think it's another attempt at her WA

It sounds like May has genuinely blinked and has now backed away from No Deal
She realises with 160 Tory MP No Dealers that she has to come to an agreement with Labour to avoid No Deal

Let's hope these talks happen and are useful
... and that Corbyn doesn't stage another childish walkout

PMK font know if anyone has seen this..

Boris posted on his page, don't think the comments are going the way he planned.

m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156336601166317&id=7972991316

horseshit I thought 'demonised' was an odd choice of word too.

youvantscareme

Who’s gonna tell Bobo the UK didn’t leave 3 years ago?

horseshit I know, I did think that! I was going to comment but went with the ever popular "revoke article 50..."
I know it's childish but 9k of comments saying the same thing did make me snigger..

This was is in Mays speech today:

"I know there are some who are so fed up with delay and endless arguments that they would like to leave with no deal next week, I've always been clear that we could make a success of no deal in the long term........

youcantscareme it’s the same on all of his posts I’ve clicked on. Childish? Yes. Intensely gratifying? Hell yes.