Westminstenders: Indicative Crossiants

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Tomorrow the Indicative debate starts at 3pm

The Speaker will choose options to go to vote.

Vote at 7pm for yes or no for each option.

7.30pm The SI debate on extension followed by vote.

Announcement of the indicative vote sometime between 8.15pm and 9.30pm

Meanwhile the DUP have indicated they would prefer a long delay (and presumably EU elections by default) rather than May's deal, in a strange twist of Brexit.

So TM ready to talk to her backbenchers just before they vote at 5 pm. More bullying, scaremongering, false promises, must respect the referendum blah! Blah! She needs to allow people to vote how they want and so should JC. The bloody pair of them should resign and never darken our doors again!

I want to see a swathe of government resignations if they're whipped. That may focus some minds!

Jo Maugham on Twitter:

I sometimes wonder idly whether Jeremy Corbyn is a Tory sleeper agent. It would be hard for him to do more long-term damage to the Labour Party if he tried.

twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1110821854858670080

I was only joking dragons. Though if you did break the it systems it's almost certainly only the IT folks who would suffer for it.

And this too, from EU.

March 2020.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/27/brexit-extension-could-last-until-31-march-2020-eu-documents-reveal?CMP=share_btn_tw

A one-year extension, ending on 31 March 2020, was, however, written into internal EU papers before the summit as an offer that could be made to May should she formally seek a longer extension, sources said. It will likely remain an option if May comes back to Brussels having failed to ratify her deal

That would safeguard our work during this year and basically allow us to turn to it again early next year,” the official said. “Giving more than that time runs the risk of mischief by the UK. We have seen the talk of Brexiters of trying to stay in and cause trouble. So such a time limit is not a bad idea

Sources emphasised that no decision had been made and it would be the subject of intense debate among the leaders at a summit, likely to be held on 10 April in Brussels, should May come back again for extra time

It will be at least until the end of the year, certainly,” the official said of the extension. “We don’t want to come back in October on this. We want to do other things and not have this dominate

The source added: “It may be up to two years, but that is the span of the imagination of those who are talking about a long extension. It is not up to this October because we can’t do this all the time. We do need time to do other things. And that is one of the attractions of a long extension. We can put it to one side and do other things

The new timelime emerged as Guy Verhofstadt hailed Saturday’s Put it to the People march in London and a petition with more than 5m signatures calling for article 50 to be revoked

The European parliament’s lead Brexit negotiator said he was very pleased MPs had voted to take control of Brexit from the government

We see at the moment a real Brexit revolt,” he said. “Until now, all the Commons votes have been against something. This is the first time that there is a vote for something – cross-party cooperation. We have long called for that

It is possible now to work for cross-party proposals and an alliance that could change the political declaration fundamentally. It is very important that this cross-party cooperation will start and I hope it leads to proposals that can be backed by a majority

I wish Donald Tusk was our prime minister ☹️

Incisive analysis of where the gov't went wrong with Brexit negotiations:
Sir Michael Leigh in the Guardian

JRM rubbishing last Saturday’s March on R4 at the end of the Today programme - calling people “Remainiacs”

‘Remaniacs’s don’t make me bring out the gammon term

I’ve also been thinking about TM and sexism and as much as her meaningless catch phrases irritate I do think she’s been subject to it. In the way Clinton was assuredly told to rictus smile in her debates - can’t be unapproachable and female.

My worst nightmare is having to vote between Boris J and Corbyn both arrogant men who care not for large swathes of the population

JRM rubbishing last Saturday’s March on R4 at the end of the Today programme - calling people “Remainiacs”

Didn't you get the memo? Check out some of the other threads on MN. Only Remainers call names and bully and insult, and only Leavers are righteous victims

Incisive analysis of where the gov't went wrong with Brexit negotiations

Clearly using the old English form of incisive meaning two words after the position of "incisor" teeth in the mouth.

The two words in this case being "Theresa May".

I do like educated correspondents.

I had an email about the revoke petition and it said ( yesterday) that it wont be debated, then today it said that it would be on monday.
wont make any difference though. I bet her deal gets though on her 3rd attempt.

Not caught up yet but Richard Ashworth just made a great speech at the MEP debate, In fact, he got a standing ovation!

I regularly have to stop myself using the term "Brexshitters" despite the temptation and have stopped saying "Maybot" as I don't want to devalue the rest of my argument.

I refuse to say "Brexiteers" as that attached an element of glamorous buccaneering to them.

I am however unrepentant at having started to use the term "state broadcaster" as that is just a statement of fact

That dismissive reply to almost 6 million people beggars belief.

I agree it would be a good idea to contact Led By Donkeys, and/or donate to their crowdfunder here: www.crowdfunder.co.uk/by-donkeys . They are doing such a brilliantly effective campaign.

Is Bill Cash having a laugh? His amendment requiring that there would have to be a 2/3rds majority of MPs to overturn standing orders in future?

Surely only 37% of eligible MPs would be required for it to be set in stone forever?

{I am however unrepentant at having started to use the term "state broadcaster" as that is just a statement of fact}

Are the Glasgow based (and indeed further north into Scotland) factions towing the London line or is there some divergence?

Pmk

Richard Ashworth:

"President Tusk, on behalf of the million people on the streets of London, on behalf of six million people who have signed the petition, on behalf of 63% of the British population who did not vote for Brexit, I want to say Thank you. I want to say thank you to this house for the support you are showing and I want to reassure you that Nigel Farage does not speak on behalf of that 63%. May I add as a comment to the European people that for over 25 years now no British Prime Minister ever explained to the British people what Europe did, what are the benefits and why it matters. They never defended against the untruths which were spoken and they never took ownership of decisions they took in council. And because of that, the British press ran a 20-year campaign based on populist mistruths lies and deceit. and the consequence of that we see today. In Britain is a sad nation, divided like never before, and a house of commons in crisis. So let Brexit stand as a cautionary tale to the people of Europe. To the people of Europe, I say this, you are the generation who have lived through the longest period of peace, and the greatest level of prosperity ever, never take it for granted. Value it, fight for it, defend it every day.
Thank you."

I bet her deal gets though on her 3rd attempt.

Bet it doesn't

Remainiac - I have been called worse. [shrugs shoulders]

Agree that brexiteers soubds too romantic. 'Peddlers of Brexit', that's more appropriate. Even pirates had some kind of honour code.