Westminstenders: Chaos

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If anyone says they know what will happen this week....

... They don't.

LedByDonkeys latest is an attendance counter showing Saturday's march and the march to Leave side by side.

Now I am not going to knock those marching to Leave, because anyone who can do a long distance walk deserves some credit. I do feel free to ridicule Farage, who of course, will only show up at the next photo-opportunity.

Well the result last night is something. I had to go to bed as my little one is ill and he's had a rough couple of nights.

30 moderate Tory rebels is the most so far. I think that's 4 more than the biggest rebellion (which included the three tiggers)

Alex Wickham @alexwickham
- Letwin passes 329-302
- at least three ministers have resigned
- ERG leadership signal they are ready to back May's deal if DUP climb down

Sam McBride @SamJAMcbride
Having got her tone disastrously wrong in last week's 'address to the nation' in which she angered MPs & others, now Theresa May has badly misjudged the DUP. They were openly disdainful of her argument today in the Commons - & that could escalate.
www.newsletter.co.uk/news/may-dismays-the-dup-as-she-blames-northern-ireland-for-brexit-delay-1-8864233/amp?__twitter_impression=true
Theresa May dismays the DUP as she blames Northern Ireland for Brexit delay

peregrina
You know that they only walk a couple of miles a day
And that each person only does a couple of days
The rest of the time they travel by coach .....
Its an utter con ....

Almost all Leavers come out with this 81% of people voted for parties which supported Brexit, which can neither be proved nor disproved

Yeah, this really pissed me off

At the time the government had decided we were going to leave, so I (like many other people) definitely voted for the manifesto i hated least

Its really stupid changing the goalposts now

There was no talk of the GE being a rerun of the referendum, apparently we were definitely leaving

talkin

And farage couldn't even spring for the cost of the coach

Having already triggered A50, surely the GE was about who would guide us through the process (with least damage).

Alan McGuiness @ alan_mcguiness
NEW: Andrea Leadsom on indicative votes

"As the prime minister has always been clear, it's a negotiation between ourselves and the European Union," she says.

"And if Parliament expresses a view, it may be entirely undeliverable."

So the government are looking forward to that moment where the EU go, that's a possibility, then?

Yes that was the basis on which I voted, Pesty. I accepted the outcome of the referendum, accepted we were definitely going to leave and so voted for the party that I thought would do the least damage. I did not vote for a party that backed Brexit and am fed up of my vote being used in that way.

I thought the signing rate would be higher in Scotland and N Ireland.

The higher the leave vote was, in Tory constituencies, the higher the majorities, as far as I can see.

I really hope Letwin and Timmermans are in whatsapp group together.

BBC Radio 4 news headlines: Latest research from British Social Attitudes survey - 55% would now vote to remain in the EU.

The leave March is supposed to be shit. The purpose is for social media to have images of a minority struggling against the elements and the hostility of the elite mass media. Its supposed to be the narrative of the plucky underdog.

And if you are in that bubble every 'sneering' remark pointing out how shit it is feeds that belief.

Yeah I know. But that's what it's about.

*"As the prime minister has always been clear, it's a negotiation between ourselves and the European Union," she says.

"And if Parliament expresses a view, it may be entirely undeliverable*

My view is that if parliament wants the UK to stay in the customs union and/or the Single Market that is entirely deliverable - in fact the EU would be very happy with that as they continue to get money from us and there is minimal disruption when we leave the EU proper. Membership of the SM does, however, necessitate the removal of the red line on FoM for EU citizens. But that is entirely within the government's control.

Ah, glad to see Brexit coming along nicely.
I have just been having a chat with the UK negotiating team and they are ready to get straight onto it as soon as the WA is signed.
The glue might need to set before the deals get too intense though!

Video is quite suitable for young eyes!

I'm highly delighted this morning to see that it only needs another 1,000 signatures on the petition to equal the majority held by my MP - a fanatical Brexiter who's slavishly pro-May at all times. We're in a traditionally Tory area with a lot of (inexplicable) 'working-class' support, so I'm surprised and pleased to see the petition doing so well.

In the run-up to the last election, said MP latched onto the campaign to save our local hospital from closure and promised unicorns and cake a-plenty. As soon as the Tories were elected he turned round and told everybody to do one. Clearly he learned well from his Great Leader.

Quite frankly for me the GE was to keep Corbyn out of No 10 and I am a Remainer.

I think the smug ones here are the Leavers. They also don’t seem to comprehend that the Brexit they want cannot be delivered and if it is then the price to the country would be too high. Surely at some stage they would think “ Well, I do want all the Romanians and the Bulgarians out, but this seems to fick up everything more, so I might reconsider” but no, it’s all Leave means leave or whatever.

We need more pragmatism and not tantrums.

Almost all Leavers come out with this 81% of people voted for parties which supported Brexit

Which is such a huge nonesense as there wasn't exactly a huge choice of anti-brexit parties, and general elections are not about single issues.

(Sorry, I know I'm preaching to the choir, but this particular bit of leaver 'logic' really annoys me!)

"And if Parliament expresses a view, it may be entirely undeliverable"

This is the PM yes?

I say

"And if the people express a meaningless word view, it may be entirely undeliverable"

Faisal Islam@faisalislam
British Social Attitudes Survey author Prof John Curtice: its results, corroborated by polls “is enough to raise doubts about whether, two and half years after the original ballot, leaving the EU necessarily continues to represent the view of a majority of the British public”

hasn’t been a single poll in almost a year now with Leave lead. 70 polls since GE17 show only two (+1) leads, 5 Ties, 63 Remain leads, recent avg plus 7/8 remain.

Hypothesis: General Election 2017 was a structural break in polled support for Remain/Leave

Via @britainelects

Sorry
"And if Parliament expresses a view, it may be entirely undeliverable"

This was Leadsome but it's what TM also said yesterday. Oh the irony.

And if Parliament expresses a view, it may be entirely undeliverable

Grayling failing to find a post box does not mean that the EU would not be receptive to knowing what the UK wanted. Actually, they seem to have spent a lot of time asking.

May being incapable of delivering is not the same as the EU receiving.

The support of the working class for the tories baffles me tbh. They are the party of the rich, of cartoon character style Upper class knobs like Rees-Mogg.

Not that Labour are any better at the moment admittedly.

Almost all Leavers come out with this 81% of people voted for parties which supported Brexit, which can neither be proved nor disproved

I voted for the party that had the best chance of overturning the slim majority of our odious pro-Brexit Tory MP. I’m pleased to say that this strategy worked, and he is now an ex-MP. This was not a vote for Brexit.

BBC radio 4 today @ bbcr4today
Brexit must be delivered but "not at the price of suicide" says Tory MP Richard Harrington who resigned last night "to get this nonsense of no deal off the table”.

suicide brexit

BTW those reflecting on 'slow brexit' yesterday and saying they had never heard of it, David Allen Green has said its the only way its achievable since the beginning. I find it ironic that a lawyer with experience in EU trade deal saying this is the only way to achieve Brexit has been ignored for so long to the point that this seems to be regarded a new term. He should have been one of those listened to first.

I voted for a ‘Brexit’ party. Not because I wanted Brexit - I 100% didn’t but because there was really only 2 choices.

My vote was determined by who i didn’t want as an MP - fail!!!

I now have one of May’s junior ministers who has absolutely no backbone and is only out for himself.