Westminstenders: Chaos

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If anyone says they know what will happen this week....

... They don't.

Think I saw every hour last night...
:(

Woke up to very surprised but pleased at Steve Brine suddenly developing some integrity. Maybe that time as health minister has taught him what a shitshow a no deal is going to be for the NHS (which also happens to be one of the largest employers in Winchester). He's my MP and I've always thought him a spinless little slimeball. I might send him an email congratulating him.

What are they doing today in parliament-does anyone know?

Who decides which votes they will have indicative votes on?
Will they be whipped against them?

Steven Swinford
@Steven_Swinford
Trouble ahead:

Steve Brine, who quit as minister to vote for Letwin last night, disputes the standing of the 2017 manifesto on the basis that it did not win a majority in the Commons

He and others likely to use that as justification for backing softer Brexit

MPs will now vote on a range of Brexit options on Wednesday, giving parliament a chance to indicate whether it can agree on a deal with closer ties to Brussels

Even if consensus is reached what happens then as we'd still need a WA? Possibly without a backstop.. or with the new agreement as the default? But who'd be trusted to action it?

Ds1 just asked me what happened yesterday...

Um....little help???

Gaspode thanks for reminding us:

The EU has said 4 options:
NO Deal leave by 12 April
Revoke by 12 April
WA & PD leave by 22 May
'long delay' & EU elections - I think Letwin will be looking for ideas/thoughts/votes in this area.

I'm hoping No.1 is out of the question.
No.3 increasingly unlikely.
No.2 would be nice as an instant end to all of this, and the early chance to start rebuilding our relationships with our neighbours. But will it happen? Probably not under May or anyone likely to replace her.
No.4 is interesting. This might be getting more likely. But we need to push to take part in the EU elections or we're out. It seems like the next hurdle to get Parliament to agree to it. Baby steps, softly softly, but we only have 17 days to decide.

Just about to embrace the caffeine.

Good news about indicative votes.

Bad news I have read things I can't read on this here thread. So thanks for that!

chev passion flower tablets? High doses of them knock me the F out and no hangover the next day unlike nightnurse. May you rest easy tonight x

disputes the standing of the 2017 manifesto on the basis that it did not win a majority in the Commons
Doesn't matter. It is The Will of the People as TM won most seats.
We can overlook the fact she didn't get a majority and was up against useless opposition. Same as we can overlook the fact the referendum was advisory, and subject to illegal campaigning and foreign interference.

Thanks hazard

I am going to try and spend today doing things I want to do

Do they need to vote on a motion to hold EU elections?
Can they do that.

Or is the main reason the government does not want to hold EU elections financial? As in the main parties are too broke to take part.

LivefromBrexit has some new sort criteria :-)

Haven’t had time to catch up,as dashing out to a hospital,appointment so apologies if already shared but you have to see this. Bloody brilliant Led by Donkeys

twitter.com/bydonkeys/status/1110242873302269952?s=21

Yes, how did she get away with the "it wasn't advisory"? It was until the all scrambled to trigger A50.

Even triggering A50 doesn't change the fact it was advisory though.

I did the Stuarts and the Civil War as part of A level history, a long time ago. It's interesting to realise that we are living through momentous times in history in the same sort of way. (That's when I am not feeling despair and that the cause is lost!)

Who knows, we might get Parliamentary reform out of this; you would hope that people realise that we can't carry on as we have been doing.

Ledbydonkeys are awesome:)

At the end of the day, the general election was held after the referendum and the the majority of those elected were known to support remain. Brexit is not a party political issue and manifesto statements are meaningless on an issue such as this. People cannot be surprised that their remain voting MPs whom they returned to the Commons will continue to support remain in various guises.

Richard Harrington has a majority of 2,092 but 10,302 constituents have signed the petition. (Constituency was 51.2% Leave).

Steve Brine has a majority of 9,999 and nearly 15,000 constituents have signed. He represents a Remain area. (Over 60%).

I think this petition is concentrating their minds. Thinking of the next election, but also it gives them a fresher 'mandate' to believe that maybe the will of 'their people' is changing, and gives them licence to stray from supporting the WA/Leave.

That breakdown shows that for 223 MPs, the number of signatures now exceeds their majority.

www.livefrombrexit.com/petitions/

www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-and-offices/mps/

Hana - depends if you believe people vote for a manifesto or the local MP and their values...my leaver friend stands firm by the idea labour and tory both had Brexit manifestos hence the majority voted for Brexit.

I gave Led by Donkeys £20 towards the ad vans.
As they are by far the most effective campaign outfit out there, I may give them a bit more.

...my leaver friend stands firm by the idea labour and tory both had Brexit manifestos hence the majority voted for Brexit.

Almost all Leavers come out with this 81% of people voted for parties which supported Brexit, which can neither be proved nor disproved, although many voted to get the Tories out. If they wanted Theresa May's - ERG Brexit, she would have got her huge majority.

Back to the Grand Wizards who met at Chequers, do we know who is claiming to be Imperial Wizard yet?
Is it May? for HO stint implies she could be.
Should we concerned that a bunch of white, public school boys politicians have decided to name themselves after the KKK?

A distraction

Talkin- me too, I might bung some more money the way of LedbyDonkeys. Their campaign quickly gives the lie to the 'we never said it would be easy' argument that Leavers trot out.

I think this petition is concentrating their minds. Thinking of the next election, but also it gives them a fresher 'mandate' to believe that maybe the will of 'their people' is changing, and gives them licence to stray from supporting the WA/Leave.

Absolutely agree with this. For me the petition was never about magically getting May to change her mind and revoke. It's about showing any MPs who might be sitting in remain seats and wavering about whether to stand up against a no deal brexit that there is support for them if they do the right thing. It is a nudge to those sitting on the fence that could just tip the balance to something a little less catastrophic than dropping out without a deal because May can't see through her own hubris.

All we can do now is try and apply pressure and build confidence for those who can actually do something. This is why I'm going to write a nice email to Steve Brine this morning even though I can't stand the man, because I want him to keep it up and tell others to do the same.