Anyone else feel uncomfortable with the idea of a second referendum, given the first?

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Apologies, as I'm sure this has been done elsewhere.

I've been thinking a lot about the role of parliamentary sovereignty and how it differs from direct democracy. I was listening to Michael Heseltine again who gave a great speech at the March yesterday. He talks a lot about Parliament and how it is the foundations of our freedom, MPs do a great job, commit great service and so on. And then he concludes that "we the people, must be given the final say". I am a remainer and therefore sympathetic to this view, but given how the first went, and the argument for representative democracy, am I being a bit intellectually dishonest if I go down this road? If MPs were able to fulfil their duty, they would see that Brexit was not in the interests of the UK, and revoke Article 50?

Agree, another referendum would be more divisive than revoking.

If there were to be another referendum, it would need to have more options - so not just a Yes or No question, but if you want to leave - do you want "Deal or no deal"

I think a second referendum on how we leave is a great idea with the following options:

TM deal
No deal
Cross party deal (if one materialises)

I think if anything it would bring the division to an end.

However I think if you chuck revoke A50 in on the paper, buckle on for some absolute civil unrest and another dead MP, if I'm being brutally honest.

Is there is another I won't be voting ever again.

Democracy shouldn't be over riled until the outcome is the desired one.

I really wouldn't bother voting ever again as it's pointless. This proves it.

People will not understand those options. A poll showed that, if asked to choose between Mays deal and no deal, when people picked no deal they thought it meant remaining in the EU.

It's too complicated an issue and subject and it should have never been put to the public.

I want to remain/revoke but with another referendum I dread another campaign based on lies and misinformation that is well funded and successful.

It's always easier to campaign for change. I don't have faith remain would win and sadly people are too thick to understand options people have mentioned above

@hellenbackagen do you feel the same when we have general elections to 'overrile'(?) the previous ones?

Hellenbackagen this would technically be the third referendum as we have already had 2. You were happy to vote in the second referendum on the EU though?

I don't think I'd bother voting again either. I mean what's the point in voting in the first place if another vote is put forward to gain the result they wanted in the first place

People will not understand those options. A poll showed that, if asked to choose between Mays deal and no deal, when people picked no deal they thought it meant remaining in the EU.
And I bet many of those exact same people will say the understood perfectly well all the implications and complexities of leaving the EU and knew exactly what they voted for.

this would technically be the third referendum as we have already had 2. You were happy to vote in the second referendum on the EU though?
I'm sure no-one would have a problem with having a 3rd one in 2056 (40 year gap seems to be the pattern).

Actually I was having a still birth when the referendum happened so was a bit busy to vote .

But I would have voted leave.

If we just keep voting until we get the answer we now want I will not vote as it shows democracy is null and void.

The people voted. There was a result. So how many times do we repeat? It's not comparable to an election every 4 years.

The principal is third referendum not date.

I think we all know which ever way this works out we will have another referendum before 2046.

Don't need to worry though because hardly any leavers will be voting by then.

It was a flawed referendum. There were many issues in the Vote Leave campaign:

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/17/vote-leave-fined-and-reported-to-police-by-electoral-commission-brexit

Also, people didn't know what kind of deal they were voting for. I think it would be a democratic option to vote now on what type of deal. However I think no deal is too destructive an option to be on a ballot paper.

I wont vote at general elections either. There is no democracy in voting if the wishes of the majority are simply overRULED.

Nb. Resorting to petty jibes about spelling "over ruled" is a bit childish.

The vote happened. A result happened. What makes it ok to simply keep voting until what 48% as opposed to 52% wanted?

How should democracy work then? Please explain as I don't like tories. Can we just over rule the general election results too cos I don't like it?

Also, people didn't know what kind of deal they were voting for. I think it would be a democratic option to vote now on what type of deal. However I think no deal is too destructive an option to be on a ballot paper

That would just be WA on the ballot paper then?

Interesting to look at how we joined the EU in the first place. I had assumed it was a referendum. In fact we applied to join and our men ship was vetoed. Eventually the tories took us in without a referendum. The referendum was run by the next Labour government to confirm membership. It was confirmed by 67%.

I’m in favour of revoking article 50 because we are clearly not in accord. We can stop the process and start again. The 2016 referendum has exposed deep concerns which need to be addressed and they should be. But what is happening now is just madness.

I would love another vote, I don't think it would be undemocratic either ( TM is just putting her vote through for the third time) however I think if we did the result would be leave again and that makes me very sad!

It's too complicated an issue and subject and it should have never been put to the public

Can that logic not be applied to the 1975 referendum when UK first joined the EU? Were the voters told that EU would be expanded to 28 Countries half of which make up only 5% of the total EU GDP? Were the voters told that Merkel and Blair would open the floodgates for immigration?

However I think no deal is too destructive an option to be on a ballot paper

But then it would not be a balanced referendum. Not allowable to cherry pick the question to suit either leave or remain. Whatever the question asked on a ballot paper it has to be equally weighted between leave and remain.

@Hellenbackagen - yes you can ‘over rule’ a general election - like when they called another one in jun 2017 (after the one they had in April). They required a 2/3 majority in House of Commons. I believe a vote of no confidence can also trigger a general election. Is all this undemocratic?

A 2nd referendum with all the options there (remain, wa, Norway and no deal) voting by av would be the MOST democratic option.

I don’t believe the majority in country would vote for no deal. I think we would end up with WA or Norway. Which is more rubbish than now, but I guess a compromise. The point is, a 2nd referendum would show the no deal brexiteers that the majority in the country are not in favour of no deal. Below is an interesting link.

www.deltapoll.co.uk/steve-fisher-condorcet

it was a non-legally binding advisory referendum

Had the vote been remain would you have agreed to the UK government to invoke Article 50 anyway?

The bleat about the referendum only being advisory only comes from the bad loser remain voters.

I voted Remain and would love to see Article 50 revoked. However I refused to March in Saturday despite lots of my friends doing so.

I don't agree with referendums. I thought the first one should never have been held. A second one would be disastrous.

I'm a remainer, but whilst sympathetic to the Idea of another referendum, I am uneasy about it. The last one was so badly run on both sides, and was damaging and divisive too.

If the options were TM's withdrawal agreement, no deal or remain then it might just split the leave vote, but otherwise change nothing, thereby muddying the waters even more.

I would vote remain again. I actually can't believe people saying that they wouldn't vote. Of course you have the democratic right to abstain if you wish, but your vote is actually the main voice that you have. if you don't want to use it then fine, but don't complain then about the outcome.