Westminstenders: Pragmatism versus Purity

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There is one question for the HoC in the next week and that's will you persue pragmatism or purity?

May looks as if she is being sidelined after a backbench withdrawal of support, the DUPs withdrawal of support and an omminous silence eminenating from the Cabinet.

Her speech on Thursday where she pitted the people against parliament has been her last mistake. She's now a danger to the country's stability and the safety of MPs.

The priority for the week is to pass the SI to change the UK exit date from 29th March to the EU's new terms.

After that, with May's deal stuffed due to lack of support and a Bercow ruling it looks like we are facing some sort of indicative free vote. This seems to be being supported by ministers in government regardless of leave or remain.

The prospect of a Tory Leader Election contest looms. It remains to seen if that can happen in the next three weeks with so much else at stake. But this is the Tory party.

The penny seems to be finally dropping about the reality of leaving the EU and how we leave the EU. A week before we were due to go. The incompetence of Parliament is laid bare in all its glorious full scale.

The focus is all on the Tories. But without the DUP, they don't have a majority to get legislation through.

I would be very interested to see what everyone else is doing. I doubt they are just sitting on their hands and waiting for No 10 to hand out the options.

Arghh I hate even to mention this, but BJ does look like a different person with his haircut.

Did Hammond say that the revoke and No Deal options would not be allowed through for discussion?

I thought you lot would love that cover of Boris spouting more nonsense.

I don't know why he doesn't just burst into Joseph's technicolour dream coat and have done with it. That's all popular and all that. Jason and Phillip were huge back in the day.

For Christ's sake don't give him ideas.

This morning SB said indicative votes are meaningless because the government won't consider them ( had to be prised out of him) and then Hammond says the opposite.

This matters because the alternative plan with perhaps highest chance of passing is Common Market 2.0 - and that doesn’t appear to be on the list

Norway would be a 'win'. As they well know. I'd take it. In a millisecond.

wonder how the EU will view being compared to Egyptian Pharaohs

I can tell you how Jews feel being identified with the morally incontinent, physically flaccid and intellectually flatulent brexists, but I would get banned from the mums net.

I thought you lot would love that cover of Boris spouting more nonsense

Not any nonsense, red, very carefully Bannon calibrated anti semitic nonsense.

Arghh I hate even to mention this, but BJ does look like a different person with his haircut

Wife beating thug Bannon probably advised him to get a haircut.

It's like being governed by the Kray Twins. (good tory gangsters btw)

Nice haircuts, though.

emily m
@maitlis
Mark Field MP: If it becomes an option I would choose to revoke article 50. I recognise that may not be the popular option ..

Sam Coates Times
@SamCoatesTimes
Tory minister goes on record on revocation. The first Tory member of the government to do so..

Hopefully Boris will get into BIG trouble for this with the Jewish community and earn worldwide condemnation.

I hope so, littlespaces
I've bored on years ago about what this means wrt Seder and Passover.
Not a good time of year to be messing about with this sort of talk, but that will be why he's done it.

EweSurname Well ain't that interesting about Mark Field and revoking a50.

Anything to do with his constituency having the second highest % of voters signing the petition?? (35%)

Self-preservation, or just representing his constituents?

www.livefrombrexit.com/petitions/241584

I think it's my bedtime.

Mark Field MP: If it becomes an option I would choose to revoke article 50. I recognise that may not be the popular option

Give that man a knighthood! Once one of them has dared to say it out loud...

Not that I like discussing politician's appearance, because it shouldn't matter ... but I don't think the new slimline Boris with sensible haircut is a good look for him. When I saw that photo of him driving to chequers I thought it must be his dad - thin Boris looks old.

Sorry to go on, but this shows public pressure can work.

More people in Field's constituency have signed the petition than actually voted for him in the last election!

twitter.com/PropertySpot/status/1109922312218963973

"let my people go" ?

The door is there, but the Brexiters want to take all the big EU benefits with them and they won't fit the doorway

Sostenueto
West Germany after WW2 began a process exactly the same as the one you expressed in your post.

What is German history?
What can German nationalism consist of?
Can Germany embrace its history, lock, stock and barrel?

Or can Germans look at history and humbly learn lessons for the future?
What values should Germany of the future identify and embrace?

Can the political structures and processes put in place by occupying powers be explained, discussed, owned, invested in and used by Germans to carry the new ideals forward?

Substitute Britain for Germany and there is a model there.

Not forgetting the big question that had to be answered in light of the recent German history right after WW2 - what is a German?

Matt Zarb-Cousin
@mattzarb

Replying to @MattChorley
As Boris Johnson once famously argued: “Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua”

I have concerns with Common Market 2.0
Its advocates make it sound like SM+ without FOM & ECJ - which isn't on offer

Norway+ (EEA / EFTA+) isn't on offer either, because they don't want us - can't blame them
All EFTA members have to agree to accept new EU legislation, or lose the relevant benefits; hence they fear the UK would wreck their trade & whole relationship with the EU

We'd have to ask for our own 3rd EEA pillar,
which presumably won't contain the existing EFTA trade deals
but with SM+ a Customs Arrangement is at least possible, if we accept FOM + ECJ

Hopefully Field will be the first of many. It only takes one person to speak up before others follow suit. Revoke has been talked about albeit very briefly by May. I know she's against it but at least she acknowledges it's an option. Maybe she's hoping by voicing that option, even though she says she won't do it, that's she's hoping MPs will force her to do so. That way it's not her fault is it? Just like no deal wouldn't be her fault.

I'm not sure how much more of this weird dichotomy of hope and doom my brain and gut can take.

2 weeks of this? Rollercoaster style?

Just off to bed

5,303,075 signatures on the petition.

More people in Field's constituency have signed the petition than actually voted for him in the last election!

There's a few like that - which is good. But, remember, under-18s can sign the petition so it's not comparing like with like.

This is a good live tracker of signatories per constituency.

www.livefrombrexit.com/petitions/241584?fbclid=IwAR0nOcc3wxqTbgr27JxgrjpKZOL8wafTdlmhGbTx049Owr9g-ff7wYTJ_NI

I checked my constituency and the last results from 2017. We're a ways off yet (though putting up a good showing) but I am poised ready to email the smug git the moment we reach the same number as his slender slender majority. I do so love to remind him of his slender majority.