Out of interest, if you voted leave what do you do for a living?

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I promise I won’t ask you anymore questions or it turn into a slanging match, you are untitled to your opinion.
I don’t know anyone of my friends who voted leave, the odd acquaintance who voted leave “because they didn’t really understand” but the people I am friendly with all seem to be remianers. We are in our 30s and to teaching, sales and banking type jobs. Dh is a solicitor and all do law in one form.
I was wondering if certain sectors voted leave generally and if what you did for a living influenced your leave vote, and if you could possibly explain why the leave vote would benefit your sector. I am not here to judge at all just trying to understand

Journalist. And, despite everything, I still wouldn't change my mind.

For our family and situation a lot of the legislation from the EU was strongly holding us back with various aspects of our career and family lives. I looked at all sides of the for and against argument, knew not to get pulled in by buses with great big claims on and I still ended up with the same resolution.

The whole thing is an utter shit show (MPs, what a surprise) but I think at this point it needs to be seen through.

I didn't say you can't learn critical thinking skills without going to university. However, it is very difficult to do so if you don't. Plenty of people don't demonstrate much, if any, of those skills. We have a representative democracy for a reason.

The leavers I am aware of are:

Benefits officer
Journalist
Taxi driver

Not wishing to be goody but folk working in finance who voted leave? My DH is in wealth management and said the day of the Brexit result was the worst for the UK finance industry since the credit crunch. I have rarely seen him more worried about work.

Older people didn't have the opportunity to go to university. There were far fewer universities before the 1990s, and fewer still before the mid 1960s

This is an excellent point. It was considered such an achievement that my secondary school actually had a list of the names of people who'd gone to university on the wall of the main hall, this was in the late 70s.

The three people I know who voted leave are retired

Agent I agree. I used to be in financial services, and know many who still are. I don't know a single leaver among them. All are very worried about Brexit.

Of the people I know of who voted leave and have admitted it to us:

1 - very wealthy self employed independent financial advisor for lots of older very wealthy clients

4 - retired

1 - unemployed long term (I also suspect some more of these who I know of but not had a conversation with; distant family who we don't see much but seen the odd comment on FB hence suspecting)

1 - low paid job delivering parcels

Trendingorange - every teacher and TA I know (I also teach) other remain, most of them quite vocal about this. Not come across one who voted Leave yet, not in my 'real life' anyway.

The leavers I know personally -
1 retired barrister, wanted to regain control of our laws
2 SAHM , wsvteda more secure future fur her 6 dc

Both have subsequently said that they regret how they voted.

placing such a decision in the hands of the common person was utterly ridiculous
Your snobbery is breathtaking

I don’t think it’s snobbery at all. Myself and my friends all discussed it and we didn’t understand. I am a sahm with a high earning husband who’s children will all be privately educated. Class and snobbery has nothing to do with it. It simply wasn’t explained clear enough of factually enough for a lot of people to understand.

It's the general public living with the consequences of low skilled mass immigration from Eastern Europe and the potential of an EU army. Of course they should been given the vote, we were told the scare stories but still thought we are better out!

In a new referendum I would still vote leave and I know remainers would have changed to leave. If we have a referendum such as May deal or remain. Other parties have stated they will campaign to abstain from the vote,without 30% of the electorate it's not a valid vote.

lonelyplanetmum
Further details here-bluster about other countries joining was scaremongering.A real project fear.

Council of the EU Press Releases - Dec 2018:

Twelfth meeting of the Accession Conference with Montenegro at Ministerial level, Brussels, 10 December 2018

www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2018/12/10/twelfth-meeting-of-the-accession-conference-with-montenegro-at-ministerial-level-brussels-10-december-2018/

With today's Conference, out of a total of 35 negotiation chapters, 32 chapters have now been opened for negotiations of which 3 chapters have already been provisionally closed.Further Accession Conferences will be planned, as appropriate, in order to take the process forward in the first half of 2019.The accession negotiations were launched in June 2012.

Ninth meeting of the Accession Conference with Serbia 10th December 2018

www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2018/12/10/ninth-meeting-of-the-accession-conference-with-serbia-at-ministerial-level-brussels-10-december-2018/

With today's Conference, 16 negotiation chapters have now been opened for negotiations out of a total of 35, of which 2 chapters have already been provisionally closed. Further Accession Conferences will be planned, as appropriate, in order to take the process forward in the first half of 2019.The accession negotiations were launched in January 2014.

Jan 2019
www.euractiv.com/section/enlargement/interview/romanian-eu-presidency-to-push-western-balkans-case-minister-says/

Romania’s EU presidency will push to improve the prospect of membership talks for Western Balkan countries Macedonia (FYROM) and Albania, but only after the European elections in May, the country’s European affairs minister told EURACTIV in an interview.

George Ciamba, whose country took over the rotating presidency from Austria on 1 January, also said one of the main tasks of Romania’s six-month stint at the helm would be to reinforce the message of unity of the EU-27 after the UK’s departure from the EU on 29 March.

He said the EU’s enlargement, which has barely progressed since Croatia joined in 2013, “is high on our agenda, we are the children of enlargement, we know very much the value of enlargement”.

I agree Dolly and think the trade agreement in the 70s was fine but not all the low skilled immigration which started in 2003 - Blair could have delayed it.

It puts a strain on public services and housing and there have been so many lies told about the newcomers not having access to benefits and housing. I'm not convinced.

Re. The financial services sector there was a significant constituency of leave voters in the City, including in wealth management. Mainly due to either frustration with the red tape of EU regulations or the hope of massive deregulation and a return to the good old days of having more freedom to speculate. I’d call the two groups the pen pushers and buccaneers. (I am leaving out the amoral who just wanted to create chaos to speculate - I doubt they even bothered to vote, much more important meddling to be done) The vast majority though understand that the regulation is there for a good reason and the prospect of it being reduced if we leave, leaving the risk of another financial crisis increased, was actually a reason to vote remain. That and, (in terms of the sector) the massive hit to the global competitiveness of the services industry of losing our integration with Europe as well as the prospect of the hit to the economy.

The other leavers I know are all retired and it has been a strange thing to watch their emotions being manipulated via the media and a sort of groupthink. I would say that they are now on a full war footing with the EU as the Nazis and “fucking Junker

I don't know many leavers.

My dad, who is retired banking consultant. And a shipping manager at work who has since decided to take early retirement on 29th March because of .... you guessed it.

Sorry pressed too soon. “Fucking Junker” as Hitler being a particular fix for their hatred. I am not sure it has roots in growing up in the war and post war era and dying days of empire but also it was a rich seam worked on by the media and politicians. It would take some sort of re education camp to even start to get them to be rational about the issues. And yes they are now racist in spite of spending most of their lives being against it......

Yes immigrants completely unemployed can be sent home after six months. This doesn't stop your self employed car valeter, nail tech, plumber,claiming they earn £25 a week and claiming every in work benefit e.g housing, council tax etc, part of the reason why tax credits is being changed to universal credit.
Even if they come to work in a care home they do receive in work benefits. The figures giving us a rosy picture of immigration use immigration as a whole which would include people who are definitely skilled and can pay for themselves and could come here anyway. What if the figures just used the people who earn under £25k? It would show they're not net contributors. Employer should and could pay more for their staff without the mass importation of cheap labour, driving down the cost.

Mistigri
I don't know many leavers.

I thought you lived in France anyway.

placing such a decision in the hands of the common person was utterly ridiculous
Your snobbery is breathtaking

Realy? are so stupid that you think the average brit has a clue about international trade? GFA, SM, euratom, customs, HMRC, WTO ??? or even had a clue we have 70 FTA's with the rest of the world via our EU membership?

When i broke my hip, as much as you might think the common man down the pub is also an expert in Orthopedics, i did not and sought treatment and advice from a hip specialist.

If the "common man" down the pub is a builder, then i will be asking him for advice on a leaking roof, not the orthopedic surgeon.

We all have our strengths and weaknesses, wisdom is knowing which ones we've got or not, unfortunately Cameron lacked any wisdom whatsoever.

that it should never have gone to the public as it did

So why was the public allowed to vote in 1975 whether or not UK should join the EU in the first place?

I thought you lived in France anyway.

Well, yes ... but why would that stop a British person who works for a British-owned company from knowing British people in Britain?

It simply wasn’t explained clear enough of factually enough for a lot of people to understand

Was the 1975 referendum to join the EU explained clearly? Were people in the UK told that EU would be expanded to 28 countries and the weaker countries would get a free ride at the expense of the UK taxpayers?