Out of interest, if you voted leave what do you do for a living?

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I promise I won’t ask you anymore questions or it turn into a slanging match, you are untitled to your opinion.
I don’t know anyone of my friends who voted leave, the odd acquaintance who voted leave “because they didn’t really understand” but the people I am friendly with all seem to be remianers. We are in our 30s and to teaching, sales and banking type jobs. Dh is a solicitor and all do law in one form.
I was wondering if certain sectors voted leave generally and if what you did for a living influenced your leave vote, and if you could possibly explain why the leave vote would benefit your sector. I am not here to judge at all just trying to understand

Dolly The care home fees for my FIL in a home run by charity are £1500 per week and 90% of those employed are immigrants, about 70 /30 EU / non EU . Now putting aside the issue of whether you could find people in the U.K. with the empathy and motivation to give people dignity and quality of life whilst wiping their bums for any money (it left me exhausted and ill, as well as my business suffering ) and the fact we are an aging population with the need increasing much faster than those young and able to meet it, exactly how are you going to pay them more and keep care homes as feasible economically for those that need them. Sometimes people make a much greater contribution to our society than the economic figures show.

Dolly2007.

Agree with you! imho Cameron should have used the brexit vote to get changes in FOM, if only for the UK, Blairs decision to allow immediate access to the UK labour market, given our very weak ID controls was very foolish.

Even now, we would be pushing at an open door to get opt outs on FoM (according to the Eu parliament) if we negotiated to stay IN, Macron recognises the EU has to change or the forces that drove brexit could mean mean some countries holding referendums.

We also need to recognise that we have an aging population but in many industries, there just isn't the profit to pay low skilled but essential workers 25k, inflation would go through the roof, as other industries would want the same too but yes over the longer term, we need to stop companies making big profits from low wages knowing they can get the top ups from the state but tbh this was happening prior to eu migration or even before WTC, and we had income support.

but not all the low skilled immigration which started in 2003 - Blair could have delayed it

It puts a strain on public services and housing and there have been so many lies told about the newcomers not having access to benefits and housing. I'm not convinced

Me neither. My ex is from outside the EU. Never paid a penny in UK Tax, but received benefits that exceed my father’s pension even through he worked all his life in the NHS.

@pizza I don’t know I wasn’t born, but the referendum was because people aparently had become disheartened with what the EU had become (over 3 decades!) so the option for change was presented, that’s absolutely fine and just, but the change should of been based in truth and fact with a clear plan explaining what out would look like with different options.

My extended family all voted for Brexit. Apart from those who have retired, they are:

Supermarket checkout worker
Health care assistant
Taxi driver
Security guard
Catering
Mechanic

All have another EU nationality. I don’t. None educated beyond age 16.

Was the 1975 referendum to join the EU explained clearly? Were people in the UK told that EU would be expanded to 28 countries and the weaker countries would get a free ride at the expense of the UK taxpayers?

No one knew that then, the soviets controlled 1/2 of europe.

In terms of overall Govt spending our EU contributions are very small, esp if you consider the trade advantages and the stability it is providing to the ex soviet states.

We'd only just joined the EEC in 1975, leaving would have been easier esp no GFA, so both options were deliverable, Camerons simplistic in/out are not.

I didnt vote leave. People who I know who did:

Ex teacher - posts edl stuff on Facebook
Gardener - wanted more money for NHS. Feelus like they were conned.
Farmer - will probably go bankrupt with no deal as he's been told he will lose his biggest contract.
Psychotherapist - since changed their mind, embarrassed now.
Dr - Indian, wanted to get Indians into the country before EU doctors. Regrets it.

common person i.e. the person who doesn't understand 'critical thinking'

just, but the change should of been based in truth and fact with a clear plan explaining what out would look like with different options

Many different options for leaving the EU. Impossible to list them all on a ballot paper. Hence it was kept simple with either leave or remain as the choice to be made.

Mistigri

Well, yes...but why would that stop a British person who works for a British-owned company from knowing British people in Britain?

Your British friends might be fibbing to you of course - a bit awkward telling someone who lives in France, and married to a Frenchman - that you voted to leave the EU.

We should never have had the vote. But people are talking as if only a select group of people should have been allowed to vote. People Like Us a la Nancy Mitford

In terms of overall Govt spending our EU contributions are very small

UK is the third largest contributor to the EU. Also UK does not trade with every single member of the EU.

Why are wealthy countries obliged to increase taxes their citizens have to subside others. For example, before Bulgaria became an EU member personal income tax was 30%. However, since joining the EU personal income tax has been reduced to 10%. Meanwhile taxes in the UK are rising.

How do UK citizens benefit from higher taxes so that weaker countries can reduce their taxes?

@derxa I’m not reading it like that at all?!
@pizza I understand that, but that’s why we are in this mess. It could of been done in 2 stages. The vote we had, then a further vote on a hard or soft Brexit then we could of negotiated from the position of having a clue what people want. It was never going to work because Brexit looked so different for so many different people.

hard or soft Brexit

Those terms were invented by remain voters. Hard Brexit is term used by remainers who don’t want to accept that leaving then EU means leaving. Soft Brexit is a term used by remain voters who want to have a foot on both sides of the fence.

Going round and round with votes at every stage would result in stagnation which is also what the remain voters want.

All the Leavers I know are retired

Well I know two people from the EU living in the UK who were for Brexit....

Otherwise in my circle it's factory workers because of immigrants coming from outside the EU.

Don't ask.

UK is the third largest contributor to the EU. Also UK does not trade with every single member of the EU

Yes we do. download the full report researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-7851#fullreport

Why are wealthy countries obliged to increase taxes their citizens have to subside others

Can you point to a tax raise we have had due to EU contributions? which would pay for about a month's worth of NHS spending.

We seen a large rise in exports to Poland, their economy is growing, Bulgaria's will too.

The loss to our economy in a no-deal scenario means lower spending and or higher taxes...unless we just dismiss the majority expert opinion as brexitiers know best......

No, derxa, it's not snobbery.

The fact is, whether to leave or remain is such a complicated decision that the vast, vast majority of people would have no hope of being able to make an informed judgement.

Do you think people working 40, 50, 60 hours a week, in totally unrelated jobs, with no relative expertise or experience, really would have had the time or inclination to fully find out the information they would truly need to be fully informed on this, and then spend the necessary time weighing it up? Across all the industries it affects? Across all legislation, in this country and the EU? While also becoming PhD level informed about economics and international relations?

That's just a fantasy.

common person i.e. the person who doesn't understand 'critical thinking'

Surely, derxa, you're not telling me you think the whole electorate are proficient at this?!

Here it goes, leave votes are ancient and thick! Does it not occur you that many leave voter just don't own up due to the judgement from remainers? I was at a congress and some physiology lecturer decided I was her friend and just assumed I was a remainer. I let her continue not correcting her. Think has happened to me about 7 times now, middle class people assuming who leavers are! As I said my brother a PHD voted leave as did a criminal lawyer I know (he voted due to Merkels open immigration policy).

@Dolly2007 I avoid the issue but wouldn't out right admit it to anybody other than close friends or family. Everybody likes to tell you you're stupid/bigoted/racist.

I actually spoke prior to the referendum to a staunch labour corbyn lover who is a friend (social worker) and they couldn't argue with my reasons.

I know many leavers and remainers. The leaver's occupations are as follows:
a number of teachers; a developing world charity worker /ex journo (Cambridge educated); a senior staff nurse; ex social workers; small business owners; a published author; film director; engineers; a friend who recently got a first from one of the top universities in the UK; ex-civil servants....those sort of professions. I think everyone I know is university educated, some have post graduate degrees too.
Interestingly, a number of those are married to partners from non EU countries too and happen to be (astonishingly) NOT big racists either.

Dolly read the whole thread no one is saying that

Tolleshunt well that is where you fall down as you cannot relate to someone working 40, 50 or 60 hours a week. Someone who cannot get council or housing association accommodation and who has to live in multiple occupancy houses, who probably lives in an unsafe area where no one is really worried about crime rates because it’s mainly affecting poor people. The loss of manufacturing and jobs, yes it will probably get worse, but there are already large areas with no employment opportunities.

Eh user??

What do you mean about I cannot relate to people working those hours? I'm one of them!!

Why have you assumed you know all about me? You don't know anything about me, yet have presumed to project.

As it happens, I am very well aware of the issues you mention. I have campaigned for disability rights, particularly for those left in poverty due to their disability and the swingeing austerity policies, of the coalition, since 2010.

The point is that Brexit will make poverty, unemployment etc far WORSE. The vast majority of the causes of poverty are down to U.K. Government policies, not the EU. It really worries me when I think of the effects of Brexit on the worse off in our society.