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Revoke Article 50 petition 2

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MrPan · 22/03/2019 16:13

Finished the last thread, here's a replacement...

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Clavinova · 25/03/2019 12:05

There is no evidence that EU citizens have signed the petition at a rate different from U.K. citizens. Unless you have some evidence?

Well, I suppose I could look up the demographics for places like Cambridge and Bristol - I guess if they have higher concentrations of EU nationals living there - that might prove a point.

From Channel 4:

It’s also worth noting that people who are resident in the UK but not citizens can legitimately sign the petition, whereas the voting rules in the 2016 EU referendum were very different.

Most EU citizens living in Britain could not vote for or against Brexit, so it’s possible that a significant number of people signing the petition did not take part in the referendum.

You can sign using a false name

We tested the system in the newsroom, and we found that it’s very quick and easy to sign the petition using a false identity.

We created an account under a made-up name with an email platform that doesn’t have strict rules about verifying the identification of its users.

The petition sent an email to the bogus email account and we could have registered our signature if we had clicked on the link.

This opens the question of whether individuals have signed the petition multiple times using pseudonymous accounts, perhaps using different devices with different IP addresses.

Apileofballyhoo · 25/03/2019 12:08

Hardly millions of signatures are fake though. Even if 20% were fake, it's still a lot of non fake...

BelleSausage · 25/03/2019 12:14

The petition had a scrubber that works over night to delete any suspicious signatures. It’s complex and was introduced after the petition for a second ref vote in 2016. There a whole blog about it by the petitions team.

They are monitoring the petition closely and reckon about 3.6% of the signature could be suspect. But that is a tiny amount.

ErrolTheDragon · 25/03/2019 12:17

Well, I suppose I could look up the demographics for places like Cambridge and Bristol - I guess if they have higher concentrations of EU nationals living there - that might prove a point.

What, like that people who know and work with a lot of non-UK EU nationals tend to see the EU as a good thing? That in such places U.K. citizens see themselves also as EU nationals and very much object to being stripped of our EU citizenship?

Mistigri · 25/03/2019 12:17

Well, I suppose I could look up the demographics for places like Cambridge and Bristol - I guess if they have higher concentrations of EU nationals living there - that might prove a point.

You could also look up the fact that both Cambridge and Bristol voted very heavily to remain (and that EU citizens didn't get a vote). That's not evidence, though.

You don't have any evidence: you're just another brexiter who's pissed off that pro-leave petitions and marches only get a fraction of the support.

Clavinova · 25/03/2019 12:25

you're just another brexiter who's pissed off that pro-leave petitions and marches only get a fraction of the support.

Not pissed off at all - I haven't signed any of Brexit petitions and I wouldn't dream of going on a march. If there is a second referendum - I will just cast my vote to Leave again.

Clavinova · 25/03/2019 12:26

I haven't signed any of the Brexit petitions.

1tisILeClerc · 25/03/2019 13:01

{You don't have any evidence: you're just another brexiter who's pissed off that pro-leave petitions and marches only get a fraction of the support.}

Speaking of which, Where's Wally Farage?

Don't bother to answer, I don't care.

BelleSausage · 25/03/2019 13:27

Things have gone suspiciously quiet.

Because that’s what happen when you provide facts in the face a a flannelling Brexiteer.

Mistigri · 25/03/2019 14:24

Speaking of which, Where's Wally Farage?

He's gone very quiet since LedByDonkeys trolled his march with a "Where's Nigel" on a mobile billboard.

DontMakeMeShushYou · 25/03/2019 14:24

Well, I suppose I could look up the demographics for places like Cambridge and Bristol - I guess if they have higher concentrations of EU nationals living there - that might prove a point.

What, like that those of us who actually live in areas with a higher concentration of EU nationals directly competing for jobs, housing and services realise that the sky hasn't fallen in yet and it's really quite okay?

Mistigri · 25/03/2019 14:47

On the subject of who is signing, and where, just spotted this graph on twitter. The trend is unsurprising - the remainier the constituency, the more likely a large % of the population is to have signed it; rates are lower in the more Brexity constituencies.

A couple of observations:

  • Scottish and Welsh constituencies have lower petition-signing rates than English constituencies with a similar remain-leave split (NI is not on this map as far as I can tell)
  • Leave-voting Tory constituencies consistently have higher petition-signing rates than leave-voting Labour constituencies - probably demographic factors at work (wealthier, more internet users).
Revoke Article 50 petition 2
NotAnActualSheep · 25/03/2019 14:54

Thanks mistigri - that's a really interesting looking graph. Do you have a link to where you found it please? (on twitter or elsewhere...) I can't see the detail very clearly and I'd like to have a delve into it... not that I'm a graph geek or anything Grin

Apileofballyhoo · 25/03/2019 14:55

I was just looking at that myself, Misti. It's startling.

lonelyplanetmum · 25/03/2019 15:01

It's worth sending direct texts to friends you think may be wet remainers who haven't bothered yet.

I just spent my lunch hour texting a few and got 5 more to sign.

Mistigri · 25/03/2019 15:02

Sheep data from @chrishanretty on twitter, graph by @allansikk

Mistigri · 25/03/2019 15:04

Scottish and Welsh constituencies have lower petition-signing rates

If you are a Scottish or Welsh remainer, some outreach could be very productive!

Some West Midlands constituencies also have low signing rates versus their remain vote.

BlackeyedGruesome · 25/03/2019 15:05

5,507,007

NotAnActualSheep · 25/03/2019 15:07

mistigri - thanks Smile off to waste some time on twitter

Apileofballyhoo · 25/03/2019 15:39

Why is the rate slowing down so much?

DioneTheDiabolist · 25/03/2019 15:56

We have quite a lot of non UK, EU citizens living and working in NI, most of whom are Irish and do not want Brexit.

There is very little on my my social media about this, so that goes some way to explaining it. Another reason is that we feel completely abandoned by UK democracy and Westminster. We haven't had a local assembly for 2 years, the Secretary of state for NI could call an election tomorrow. But she won't because NI voted to Remain.

We have the most to lose, yet we are denied a voice that is not the DUP. We are being treated like pawns in this debacle and are sick of it. So many are not engaged with the politics of Westminster anymore.

Dohangoversgetworseasyougetold · 25/03/2019 16:28

May needs to keep talking. It speeds up whenever she opens her mouth.

Apileofballyhoo · 25/03/2019 17:22

I wish it would speed up faster. The UK is hurtling towards no deal.

PickleFish · 25/03/2019 17:23

there are some surprising remain areas with low signing rates, and I hope those will be identified and people in those areas encouraged to share.

I wonder why some of the vote numbers are in bold and others not.

Mistigri · 25/03/2019 17:35

I wonder why some of the vote numbers are in bold and others not.

Where the number of petition signers exceeds the MP's majority.

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